L.A. Hardhats show

[macmikeman]

The coming Monday nights show is focused on the electrical crew.....
Should be interesting. We can all comment on Tuesday. Monday night at 10 on the National Geographic channel.

[chris kennedy]

Past my bed time.

[jeremysterling]

I love electrical work, but I don't think it is dramatic enough for TV.

Except for yesterday when a contractor installing a fence in front of gear drilled through a conduit into a 20A circuit and tripped the 100A panel feeder breaker AND the 2000A main! The owner was pulling his hair out saying, "Turn it on, there are people trapped in the elevator!" I explained that his emerg gen had already started and ATS switched...

[LarryFine]

Past my bed time.TiVo, baby!

[brennan]

What time and channel?

[LarryFine]

What time and channel?Monday night at 10 on the National Geographic channel.How's that? :smile:

[roger]

Past my bed time.

Yeah, mine too.

Roger

[roger]

How's that? :smile:

Pretty good.

Roger

[MF Dagger]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/la-hard-hats/all/Overview#tab-Videos/05486_00

It seems like you might be able to watch an episode online. My computer isn't going fast enough so I'm not sure yet

[MF Dagger]

OK I got it to work. It seems like portions of different episodes. Definately seems like a good show to watch. Too bad it isn't like some other stations that have full episodes of old shows online. My wife loves watching intervention for some reason but we cancelled the cable more than a year ago, so it works out perfectly to watch it online with her

[steelersman]

Past my bed time.
That's why I love my Tivo!

[LarryFine]

Didn't I say that? :wink:

[ramsy]

Just finished the 1-hour episode. Using a Fox & Hound for short detection was surprising, since false negatives will occur in the presence of low-impedance faults. Don't believe this tool can replace Megger testing.

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Ramjet, leave your personal agenda home or on your own forum.

[chris kennedy]

Who needs TIVO? Theres a rerun right now.

[220/221]

It seems like a LOT of the tubing would get stepped on and kicked loose during the pour.



Questions????

1. They pulled black and white #12 conductors into the smurf tube stubs. No EGC???

2. Was the MC feeder cable SOLID wire or was that some kind of protective end over the fresh end of the cable?

3. When they reuse the deck form panels, dont they have old layout markings on them?

4. Dont the nails from the boxes, stubbies and blue anchor things stick out thru the ceiling when the deck forms are stripped?

[tkb]

Looks like they were using MCap for roughing the apartments.

[220/221]

Did they fold the ground wire under the connectors, outside the box????

[tkb]

Did they fold the ground wire under the connectors, outside the box????

Yes, they cut them about 2" long and folded them back.
They were using snap in connectors that snaped into the box with WAGO connectors.

They had one crew to pull the cable, another to strip and enter the boxes "The Stabbers" and one guy to make up the splices and test the circuits.

I didn't see one piece of EMT on the show. All MC including the feeders to each apartment.

[220/221]

What about no ground in the smurf??? They clearly pulled black and white. Are the boxes bonded to the steel or something?

[tyha]

They had to pull a ground somewhere. The reason I think they didn't show alot of the problems and fights between subs and so forth is because at this point they are just showing each sub or part of the whole project one at a time. Once everyone is introduced fully with their own episode the show will go back and start showing daily stuff. Thats my opinion anyway.

[steelersman]

Who needs TIVO? Theres a rerun right now.
Nobody "needs" it but it sure makes the tv watching experience alot easier. I can watch an hour long show in about 40 minutes due to the fact that I can fast forward through all the commercials. I love it.

[steelersman]

What about no ground in the smurf??? They clearly pulled black and white. Are the boxes bonded to the steel or something?
Bro I'm sure they pulled a ground. I watched the show and didn't notice just a black and white wire, but I'm sure they did. Think about it.

[CHWflorida]

I didn't see a ground either. They clearly had two rolls of wire they were pulling from, white and black.

[emahler]

smoke detectors

[CHWflorida]

smoke detectors

Are you talking about the "two conductors with no ground"? I haven't done that type of work so I'm not sure, but I thought they were feeding floor boxes.

[220/221]

Bro I'm sure they pulled a ground. I watched the show and didn't notice just a black and white wire, but I'm sure they did. Think about it

I checked it on the DVR.


smoke detectors

Wouldn't a building like that have low voltage multi wire smokies tied all together into a huge control panel?

but I thought they were feeding floor boxes.

It was feeding into the deck into the smurf stubs but a lot of that stuff was in the ceiling as opposed to the floor.

[peter d]

Maybe it was "Tokyo Hard Hats." They use American style wiring but don't use ground wires in Japan.

[CHWflorida]

The only place I would see a need to run smurf to a ceiling box would be in a garage or some area without a dropped ceiling. It looked to me that they were on a residential level.




That's what leads me to believe they are floor boxes.

[steelersman]

The only place I would see a need to run smurf to a ceiling box would be in a garage or some area without a dropped ceiling. It looked to me that they were on a residential level.
Yes they wee residential and most likely there won't be a dropped ceiling hence the deck boxes.

[220/221]

It looked to me like they ran the stuff EVERYWHERE. Even with a dropped ceiling it's much easier/cheaper to slip it in the deck. It would save a lot of overhead conduit work.

[CHWflorida]

Yes they wee residential and most likely there won't be a dropped ceiling hence the deck boxes.

The last condo I went into did not have ugly concrete ceilings dotted with boxes, plumbing pipes , cables, etc. It had a dropped ceiling hence the floor or deck boxes.

[steelersman]

It looked to me like they ran the stuff EVERYWHERE. Even with a dropped ceiling it's much easier/cheaper to slip it in the deck. It would save a lot of overhead conduit work.
I'm sure that those condos don't have dropped ceilings. They need to save space which is why it's a deck job in the first place. They do have bulkheads around the perimeter of some of the rooms to run the duct and plumbing and some electrical if need be but I can assure you that it's not a dropped ceiling.

[steelersman]

The last condo I went into did not have ugly concrete ceilings dotted with boxes, plumbing pipes , cables, etc. It had a dropped ceiling hence the floor or deck boxes.
They last condo high rise I saw didn't have dropped ceilings. They did however put hat channel up and then sheetrock but only due to the fact that some lighting deck boxes didn't get set in proper place so that was the solution to that problem. And I've seen plenty of condos with concrete ceilings, and they are very high end condos. Not some slummy ones.

[CHWflorida]

It looked to me like they ran the stuff EVERYWHERE. Even with a dropped ceiling it's much easier/cheaper to slip it in the deck. It would save a lot of overhead conduit work.

I have wired condos, but have not ran smurf to deck boxes ilo of mc or conduit. I don't see how you would gain by having to transition. I wish I could see the completed job.

[emahler]

could one of our LA members, please go into the building and drop some devices to find out what they were wiring?

[steelersman]

I have wired condos, but have not ran smurf to deck boxes ilo of mc or conduit. I don't see how you would gain by having to transition. I wish I could see the completed job.
If there were going to be a dropped ceiling then it would be alot easier to not run boxes in the deck. But that's the main reason that they do it at least for resi highrises is because if it's a deck then they don't have a dropped ceiling because there's usually not enough room for that.

[CHWflorida]

They last condo high rise I saw didn't have dropped ceilings. They did however put hat channel up and then sheetrock but only due to the fact that some lighting deck boxes didn't get set in proper place so that was the solution to that problem. And I've seen plenty of condos with concrete ceilings, and they are very high end condos. Not some slummy ones.

I hear you. We have plenty around here like that too. I'm going to go back and check to see if that is the case on the show.

[peter d]

could one of our LA members, please go into the building and drop some devices to find out what they were wiring?

Maybe Ramsy will send one of his cronies in.

[CHWflorida]

The black and white, no ground, is for temporary lighting.

[CHWflorida]

I'm sure that those condos don't have dropped ceilings. They need to save space which is why it's a deck job in the first place. They do have bulkheads around the perimeter of some of the rooms to run the duct and plumbing and some electrical if need be but I can assure you that it's not a dropped ceiling.

These condos do have lots of dropped ceilings. It does look like in some areas the deck is the ceiling so I'm with you on that. I'm used to hat channel in those areas but I guess they can add a couple of inches in ceiling height and save on labor and materials that way.

[emahler]

The black and white, no ground, is for temporary lighting.

works for me...

[macmikeman]

What and where do they get those black stub fittings that they were screwing into the deck for the smurf stub outs to fit into? I never saw any like that in any Carlon or Cantex catalog before, unless I whizzed right by that page. Anyway, those seem pretty handy for deck work stub downs.

[220/221]

You might want to consider letting it go.

[emahler]

i wish they would explain more about the concrete and the windows and the $100,000 cost to replace...

[tyha]

we did an asissted livng building that was 3 stories and the slabs were exactly 8' apart and we ran smurf tube for everything. the slabs were floor on one side and ceiling on the other. they came back and sprayed popcorn directly on the concrete ceilings./

[ramsy]

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Ramjet, leave your personal agenda home or on your own forum.

Yes Master iwire

http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/06/f4/4188_12.JPG

Has anyone else seen this guy running amok,
I'm seeing this vision of iwire stomping on the smurf,
and crushing peoples hard work?