210.8 B2

[normbac]

wanted to make sure I am reading this correct is 210.8 B2 saying in a commercial kitchen the food prep area has to have all 15 & 20 amp 120 vollt receptacles GFCI protected even if below the counter and a dedicated circuit to a electrical cord connected appliance? Installing alot of appliance outlets in a coffee shop and wasnt sure if they needed GFCI protection TIA

[chris kennedy]

Yes sir, that means all of them. FWIW I have never had a trouble call from a kitchen I wired.

[normbac]

Thanks new to the commercial world it is a whole different animal

[chris kennedy]

Thanks new to the commercial world it is a whole different animal

I'm betting your going to love it.

[normbac]

is the GFCI also required for fridge & freezer if in the cooking area

[JohnJ0906]

is the GFCI also required for fridge & freezer if in the cooking area

All 15 and 20 amp 125 v receptacles in a commercial kitchen, no matter what the purpose, no matter what the location, must be GFCI protected.

[benaround]

is the GFCI also required for fridge & freezer if in the cooking area

You might even say, particuarlly for the fridge and freezer.

[normbac]

You might even say, particuarlly for the fridge and freezer.
So it is not wise to install outlets behind since they are so heavyto move?

[quogueelectric]

I did a Petco store and all of the outlets were behind the fish tanks. I talked them into gfci breakers and they agreed and paid the extra. They were serviceable but not really unless you were Gumby Darn it.

[benaround]

So it is not wise to install outlets behind since they are so heavyto move?

No that's not it Norm, it's that the fridge and freezer are candidates for

shocking people, and lots of them are not commercial type.

[infinity]

No that's not it Norm, it's that the fridge and freezer are candidates for

shocking people, and lots of them are not commercial type.

I think that he's asking about using a GFCI breaker instead of a GFCI receptacle since resetting the rec behind the unit would be a hassle.

[normbac]

I think that he's asking about using a GFCI breaker instead of a GFCI receptacle since resetting the rec behind the unit would be a hassle.

I was wondering how you guys typically do it since resetting the rec behind the unit would be a hassle. Also if fridge freez are in a different room than the cooking area is it necessary

[celtic]

I was wondering how you guys typically do it since resetting the rec behind the unit would be a hassle.
Bid the device...up sell the CB.


Also if fridge freez are in a different room than the cooking area is it necessary

Does the area have a sink?

[chris kennedy]

Does the area have a sink?

And what would that have to do with the price of beans in the 05?

[celtic]

And what would that have to do with the price of beans in the 05?

It would be the price of beans in the '05:

(2) Commercial and institutional kitchens—for the purposes
of this section, a kitchen is an area with a sink and permanent
facilities for food preparation and cooking



In my experience, a commercial "area" with a sink, will also have "permanent
facilities for food preparation and cooking".

[chris kennedy]

It would be the price of beans in the '05:



In my experience, a commercial "area" with a sink, will also have "permanent
facilities for food preparation and cooking".
Of coarse, my bad, thought you were leading to the GFI requirements near sinks.

[SEO]

Alot of comercial equipment is used and the ground prongs are pulled out or nonfunctional on the cords . GfCI protection could save a lot of lives when a piece of equipment faults to the case of a non-grounded frig and the guy moping the floor leans up against it.

[celtic]

Of coarse, my bad, thought you were leading to the GFI requirements near sinks.

:smile:
I was thinking the same as I typed that reply....and actually ditched the second half of 210.8(b)2 ~ just to see what would happen :cool:

[normbac]

Bid the device...up sell the CB.



Does the area have a sink?
yes there is a sink for pots pans etc but seperate from cooking this is a coffee house sandwiches bagels etc