Barn...romex?

[bth0mas20]

Is your typical farm barn allowed to be wired with romex or does it all have to be uf because its not considered weather-tight?

[stickboy1375]

Niether is acceptable, unless of course its getting covered up by a 15 min finish rating.

[peter d]

See 547.5. The article seems to exclude NM cable.

[peter d]

Niether is acceptable, unless of course its getting covered up by a 15 min finish rating.

547.5 does list UF as being acceptable.

[Dennis Alwon]

Is your typical farm barn allowed to be wired with romex or does it all have to be uf because its not considered weather-tight?

Is livestock involved in this barn?

[Mule]

Is your typical farm barn allowed to be wired with romex or does it all have to be uf because its not considered weather-tight?

We have a excemption for 40 acres or more, agriculture use, no inspections

But I use MC cable because of rats

[Dennis Alwon]

I believe UF is allowed however art 340.10(4) seems to indicate what stickboy says. It needs sheetrock.

[bth0mas20]

This barn will have no sheetrock. Its not for livestock.
It will be used for making wine on a grape farm.
I will be installing 6 peices of equipment fed from a 3 phase digital converter.
All equipment is cord and plug.


Another question. Im looking at my nec cd rom right now to see if I need a disconnect at each outlet or is the breaker back at the panel enough.

[mdshunk]

Another question. Im looking at my nec cd rom right now to see if I need a disconnect at each outlet or is the breaker back at the panel enough.If the equipment is cord and plug, that is your disconnect.

[Dennis Alwon]

This barn will have no sheetrock. Its not for livestock.
It will be used for making wine on a grape farm.
I will be installing 6 peices of equipment fed from a 3 phase digital converter.
All equipment is cord and plug.


Another question. Im looking at my nec cd rom right now to see if I need a disconnect at each outlet or is the breaker back at the panel enough.
Where is the panel? Never mind I think I misunderstood.

[bth0mas20]

The panel is no more than 40 ft from the furthest piece of equipment.

[cadpoint]

Careful now, seems your getting into "food" preparation which might require alot more than romex.

I would think the Health Department, and your State Alcohol Board would be very interested in the barn...

* granted I used "food" when I should have said spirits. Jesus made do with a couple loafs and a few fish and wine, but in my opinon your falling way short.

Machine Disconnects are all to be with-in sight or lockable (per device)

Forget the CD for a moment and USE your active code and read all the Disconnecting means (in the Index) that might apply to your barn and equipment. JMO

[ultramegabob]

I would either run conduit or M.C. cable, I dont think there is any legal way to run NM if it is going to be exposed.

[bth0mas20]

I will be using mc.

[bth0mas20]

Also their is an existing single phase panel in the barn. I will be bringing a new 200 amp service to the barn. Their is a feeder to the existing panel in the barn. I will have to feed the existing panel from the 3 ph panel I will be setting from the digital converter.
I know I will have to set a service disc 200a but it will prob be a main breaker enclosure because I cant get a feeder breaker larger than a 125a to feed the digital 3 ph converter and the manufactuer requires 175a minimum input.

[cadpoint]

After a quick search of my favorite search engine I came up with this page
Here (http://www.marylandwine.com/mwa/startup/resources.shtml) from this page here (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=maryland+laws+%22wine%22&btnG=Search) . All about maryland wine and the first here is who's in control. The Second is jsut a total list of all found from a search of - maryland laws "wine".

[cschmid]

if the building is being used to make alcoholic beverages I believe it is call a brewery not a barn..unless you are housing farm animals...then I may question the wine..:grin:

[stickboy1375]

if the building is being used to make alcoholic beverages I believe it is call a brewery not a barn..unless you are housing farm animals...then I may question the wine..:grin:


I make my own wine, but its in my basement, what wiring methods can I use? :grin:

[ptonsparky]

I make my own wine, but its in my basement, what wiring methods can I use? :grin:

Not sure about wine but when the beer we made as adolescents blew up and stuck glass shards into the sides of Mom's cabinets, I would suggest sch40 at least.

[Mule]

Not sure about wine but when the beer we made as adolescents blew up and stuck glass shards into the sides of Mom's cabinets, I would suggest sch40 at least.

Or "Robroy" so you can clean up the mess !!!

[hillbilly]

I make my own wine, but its in my basement, what wiring methods can I use? :grin:

I made some watermelon wine last year, and it would wire you up by itself .:smile:

steve

[charlietuna]

Call it what you want--but actually you are wiring a winery!

[SEO]

I made some watermelon wine last year, and it would wire you up by itself .:smile:

steve
Never heard of that is it good?:smile:

[fireryan]

See 547.5. The article seems to exclude NM cable.
Yeah if Im reading this right then yes you can use uf in a barn but not nm. But does this change if animals are present

[electricalperson]

Not sure about wine but when the beer we made as adolescents blew up and stuck glass shards into the sides of Mom's cabinets, I would suggest sch40 at least.
sounds like you put too much sugar after you bottled the beer to create the carbonation:grin: in barns i wire i like to use emt. we use raintight fittings, weatherproof covers and vaporproof light fixtures

[cschmid]

I make my own wine, but its in my basement, what wiring methods can I use? :grin:

I would use 8 oz stem glasses with with wheat leaves hand etched into the glass.I would illuminate with candles..I would trim it out with some heavy metal..:grin:

[cadpoint]

This sounds like a situation, where you should make things, 2X's safer.

[ceb58]

I will be using mc.

You may want to look at 330.10 A 11 a,b and c. If this is going to be a winery it may be considered a wet location due to washing of equipment. I would go with pvc.

[augie47]

We have a excemption for 40 acres or more, agriculture use, no inspections

But I use MC cable because of rats

I always thought that was a good idea until it was pointed out at a recent seminar I attended that standard MC was not acceptable in a 547 situation. "jacketd" mc is required.
I checked and they do make such a critter.

[hillbilly]

Never heard of that is it good?:smile:


It gets real good after the third or fourth drink but that first couple of drinks are pretty rough.

I does have a very distinct flavor (and smell).:roll:

steve

[MikeGee]

If the equipment is cord and plug, that is your disconnect.

This is the 1st thing I thought.