Whats required in YOUR TOWN to become a EC?

[Mule]

Ok, Im just curious....Tell us what's required in your town, or state, or even union, first to become a Journeyman....and then second a EC.....Give us Time in service, testing, bonding, insurace..bla bla

[mdshunk]

In the town where I have my home, absolutely nothing. A man can wake up tomorrow and declare himself an electrician.

[NolaTigaBait]

you can take a test in each parish ot you can get your state license which allows you to go anywhere in the state and be exempt from the test(still have to pay the fees)....when i took my state test, they really didn't ask for too much...they wanted to know what my last 5 jobs were and the value, if i was a felon, if i had an account at a supply house...just filled it in sent my check passed the test and 2 months later i was an EC..i did work for someone for a couple years though before that

[480sparky]

JW requires 8,000 OTJ, documented experience.

Another 4,000 to get a Masters License.

To be an EC, you must register with the state (Iowa Workforce Development) as a Contractor. And you also need to either be, or employ, a Master Electrician, and obtain both an EC and Master's License from the state (State Electrical Board).

No business/law courses.

In the town where I have my home, absolutely nothing. A man can wake up tomorrow and declare himself an electrician.


Shouldn't you at least buy a pair of strippers first? :)

[Mule]

Oklahoma

4years (8000hrs documented) as an registered apprentice to be eligable to take journeyman state test

4years (8000hrs documented) as a Journeyman to be eligable to take EC state test

Towns less than 10,000 you can be eligable to take a "resi EC only" test at 6000hrs? I think.... to work in that town only...

I possibly may be incorrect on the second statement about becoming a EC, might be 2 years and 4000hrs...maybe another Okie can correct me or verify...

[480sparky]

....4years (80000hrs) as a Journeyman.....

80,000 ??? :confused:

[Mule]

80,000 ??? :confused:

thanks, i fixed it
must have been a senior moment:confused:

[cadpoint]

The Forum's Host Page use to have a interactive State web page that listed each state level requirements of obtaining a license.
I couldn't spot it to post a link.... :rolleyes:

[roger]

NC requirements (http://www.mikeholt.com/statelicense.php#NC)

Roger

[NolaTigaBait]

wow, louisiana is the easiest to become an EC!...once you get that , theres no point to become a master electrician...

[Mule]

Hey thanks, So I was incorrect about mine on one case....so here it is relisted

Oklahoma

4years (8000hrs documented) as an registered apprentice to be eligable to take journeyman state test

2years (4000hrs documented) as a Journeyman to be eligable to take EC state test

Towns less than 10,000 you can be eligable to take a "resi EC only" test at 6000hrs? I think.... to work in that town only...

Now If you look at this real close, you can see why its hard to hire a journeyman in Oklahoma....If you do hire one, you'll most likely have him for two years before he goes out on his own.....then you have to start all over..

[Mule]

In the town where I have my home, absolutely nothing. A man can wake up tomorrow and declare himself an electrician.

So what about the town, where you have your business?

[petersonra]

In the town where I have my home, absolutely nothing. A man can wake up tomorrow and declare himself an electrician.

pretty much the same way here except you need to pay $10 for an EC license. I think there is some kind of test for the EC license but IIRC, it is like 30 true false questions.

[ceb58]

Roger did a fine job of posting what is requried for NC, but I am finding a lot of the towns require you to have a business license to pull a permit. There goes another $50.00 for each town:mad:

[ivsenroute]

In the town where I have my home, absolutely nothing. A man can wake up tomorrow and declare himself an electrician.

Same here in most municipalities although some have either a "licensing" or "registration" fee which involves showing proof of liability insurance and writing a check.

In Wilkes-Barre City and the City of Scranton, there is a testing procedure with Scranton having some other experience requirements in addition to the testing. Most tests are only given twice a year.

Pennsylvania just passed a registration law that will take effect in mid 2009 and the state will control all registration of remodeling contractors to include electricians, landscapers, plumbers, masons, etc. Not sure what the requirements are other than insurance. This will take the place of the individual municipalities scamming the contractors for money. They will no longer be allowed to force you to register or get a license UNLESS they already had an accepted method of testing and licensing in place as of the signing of the bill on Oct 17, 2008.

[ElectricianJeff]

In the town where I have my home, absolutely nothing. A man can wake up tomorrow and declare himself an electrician.


Same here and if not for that fact I wouldn't be one.

I started late at age 46 after owning another unrelated business for 25 years. I worked for a guy for about 3 years, left and started my own company and have never looked back.

This forum has played a major part in making me a good electrician and I'm still have lots to learn. I already knew how to run a successful business.

Now I wish they would tighten things up. Some of the stuff I see is just plain scary.

Funny how ones perspective can change.

[Mule]

Roger did a fine job of posting what is requried for NC, but I am finding a lot of the towns require you to have a business license to pull a permit. There goes another $50.00 for each town:mad:

Ok, my freind....:smile: So tell me, have you ever went to a job and was asked to re-do, where the customer was previously taken advantage by a non-qualified, money hungry person whom just about burnt the place down?

Or have you ever, contracted to do a re-wire fire job where it did burn down from this kind of work?

Im not speaking of years of service here, Im talking about inspectors and code enforcement in general. We should be proud of our inspecters. They have families also, and like to eat....and they protect the consumer from alot of shoddy work...and permit and license fee's are unfortunately part of it....

[Fulthrotl]

Ok, Im just curious....Tell us what's required in your town, or state, or even union, first to become a Journeyman....and then second a EC.....Give us Time in service, testing, bonding, insurace..bla bla

california requires:

if you want to play sparky, here's whatchoo gotta doo...
you must have a JW's license issued by the state of CA.

http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/ECU/EleCat.html

california has no masters classification, so that doesn't apply.
if you want to have a C-10 license for electrical contracting,
here's whatchoo need....

http://www.cslb.ca.gov/Applicants/ContractorsLicense/ExamApplication/

currently an apprenticeship takes 5 years to complete, and you need
4 years of JW level experience after that.


randy

[ceb58]

Ok, my freind....:smile: So tell me, have you ever went to a job and was asked to re-do, where the customer was previously taken advantage by a non-qualified, money hungry person whom just about burnt the place down?

Or have you ever, contracted to do a re-wire fire job where it did burn down from this kind of work?

Im not speaking of years of service here, Im talking about inspectors and code enforcement in general. We should be proud of our inspecters. They have families also, and like to eat....and they protect the consumer from alot of shoddy work...and permit and license fee's are unfortunately part of it....

Yes, I have had to go in behind some one who, was contracting under his fathers lisence, no permit and got drunk on the job and was drilling holes in new hardwood flooring (there was no need for drilling).
I see where your mind set is and I agree that the need for inspectors and paying them a good salary is needed to keep competent people in place. But when you pay $150.00 to $200.00 for a permit and the inspection takes 10 to 15 min. enough is enough. The county I live in has no business permit fee and the inspection department runs in the black every year.

[mdshunk]

So what about the town, where you have your business?
Application to take the test which gets voted on by the examining board (they consider work experience, references, who you know in the good old boy network, etc), take and pass a test, and have proof of insurance. The examining board can pretty much deny anyone the ability to take the test for any reason, if they want to, which doesn't even seem legal. They have never done that, to my knowledge.

[ivsenroute]

But when you pay $150.00 to $200.00 for a permit and the inspection takes 10 to 15 min. enough is enough.

That inspection costs travel time, training, certification, insurance and paperwork before and after the inspection, filing, etc.

You along with your competitors just need to charge that out to the customer or make them responsible for paying it like I do so it is not part of my bid depending on where I am working.

You need to charge the right rate for your business just like the municipal or third party agencies do. Do I smell hypocrisy? Yes, that is how you spell hypocrisy.:smile:

[satcom]

That inspection costs travel time, training, certification, insurance and paperwork before and after the inspection, filing, etc.

You along with your competitors just need to charge that out to the customer or make them responsible for paying it like I do so it is not part of my bid depending on where I am working.

You need to charge the right rate for your business just like the municipal or third party agencies do. Do I smell hypocrisy? Yes, that is how you spell hypocrisy.:smile:

Exactly, I don't care what the permit costs, or how long the inspection takes, the customer pays the required by law, inspection fees. for the past 35 years, we never included the inspection fees, with the quotes, or job costs, customer pays fees, under seperate invoice.

[ivsenroute]

Ahhhh, the natural drifting of the thread

[Greg Swartz]

That inspection costs travel time, training, certification, insurance and paperwork before and after the inspection, filing, etc.

You along with your competitors just need to charge that out to the customer or make them responsible for paying it like I do so it is not part of my bid depending on where I am working.

You need to charge the right rate for your business just like the municipal or third party agencies do. Do I smell hypocrisy? Yes, that is how you spell hypocrisy.:smile:

Ok... call me a hypocrite... but when your inspector has 20-30 inspections a day, and 2 inspections does it. One rough, one final, $150 is a lot...
(Thats $75 per inspection at 20 a day... Who's making money? The Regional Building Department here...) especially if you fail, you get trip feed... another $65... or the job never gets passed... no one finals... the whole city is up in arms... it's raining cats and dogs...
And they can fail you for whatever they want... like not having ground clips in round plastic boxes!!!!

[Greg Swartz]

Oh, and by the way: In Colorado

Resedential Wireman: 2 years - 4000 documented hours as a REGISTERED apprentice. Anything undocumented does not count.
This allows you to take a 4 hour 90 question test that 80% fail the first time around (???) If you pass, this allows you to supervise residential jobs only, and make up to $25 / hr. Most get around $21

Journeyman Wireman: 4 years - 8000 documented hours as a REGISTERED apprentice. Must have at least 4000 hours as commercial experience.
This allows you to take a 4 hour 90 question test that over 1/2 fail the first time around. (Still don't know why...) Once you pass that, this allows you to work unsupervised on any jobsite. Wages: $21-$25 / hr. Good ones make $28 / hr.

Master Electrician: 1 year of documented supervision after you have completed your Journeyman's license. Again... 4 hour 90 question test. Very similar to Journeyman's... more calculations... Wages... about the same as J-man.

Electrical Contractor: Master's license + Insurance + Business License. This allows you to talk to the local RBDs.

Register in most RBDs cost $0 (Colorado Springs) to $200 (Denver). By the way, Denver has 4 RBDs...
Side note: Arapahoe Road used to be dividing line: If you had 2 jobs, one on each side, you would need 2 inspectors, and 2 RBD registrations.

Now you can pull a permit...
Lets get to work while the day is young...

In Colorado Springs, there are ~500,000 people (surrounding areas too) and over 154 registered ECs. No telling how many non registered Journeymen doing side work.

[ivsenroute]

USMC 1991-2000 1142/8563

Shower shoe!! ;)

[roger3829]

8000 hrs as a registered apprentice, plus 720 classroom hours before you can take journeymans test (80% failure rate)

4000 hrs as a journeyman, plus 90 more classroom hrs before you can take contractor test.

Buy a truck, put your name and license number on it and go to work......:smile:

[growler]

In the town where I have my home, absolutely nothing. A man can wake up tomorrow and declare himself an electrician.

You can do about the same thing here. You won't have a license and can't get permits but it doesn't slow that many people down.

If you want to get a license here then you are supposed to have 4 years of documented experience. I knew one guy that said he worked about 8 months and paid a master to sign his paperwork ( don't know if this is true).

Ok to get a journeyman license in georgia ..... What that?
To get an EC license .....................should be a minimum of 4 years but we all know how well the honor system works.

[Mule]

Ok... call me a hypocrite... but when your inspector has 20-30 inspections a day, and 2 inspections does it. One rough, one final, $150 is a lot...
(Thats $75 per inspection at 20 a day... Who's making money? The Regional Building Department here...) especially if you fail, you get trip feed... another $65... or the job never gets passed... no one finals... the whole city is up in arms... it's raining cats and dogs...
And they can fail you for whatever they want... like not having ground clips in round plastic boxes!!!!

Our permit fee for small jobs is $20......new construction is by the foot, and I dont have a clue what that is....