Is this a violation?

[c2500]

Last week, I received a call from a tenant of mine. She said there were two men on her deck, and they were running new wire for the water heater in another condo.

I decided to check it out, and this is what I found. I ask if they had permission from the Condo Association to run the wire, and they said the owner had obtained it. I then ask about permits. They said the owner had obtained them. Well, there was no association permission because I checked with the property manager. (I am also on the Board of Directors) The city had no record of a permit.

A codes enforcement official kindly met me there and put a Stop Work on the job.

Yes, that is water pipe you see. They were running this under two decks to reach the service entrance. They left after I ask them to stop, so this is as far as they made it. At least they knew enough to use #10.

c2500

[NolaTigaBait]

uh, is that white pvc?....can't really tell...hey thats cool

[480sparky]

You have to ask??? :confused: :wink:

Try 334.10(A)(1) and 352.22 fer starters.

uh, is that white pvc?....can't really tell...hey thats cool

If it's plumbing PVC, well.... it is for a water heater!

[Buck Parrish]

That's a typical property manager type of maintnance guy. Why carry two types of pipe. One for water and one for wire.:confused:

I came across the same type of scenario at some condos near me. Except they didn't get caught. Plumbing pex pipe used as electrical conduit.

[peter d]

Did the leave the Home Depot 1-2-3 wiring book on the deck as well? Or maybe it was in the back of their 1985 van.

[NolaTigaBait]

i have a neighbor that needed a circuit run to his detached garage, his wife works at a hotel and she gets the hotel to pay for the materials...anyways, she goes with the "electrician" to get the materials...he come sback with white pvc and white pvc 90's...ya know the ones that would be impossible to pull a wire through....he also gets a qo panel with homeline breakers....did you know this guy makes over 75k a year doing "eletrical" work at the hotel?

[quogueelectric]

Any multiple tennant work must be licenced and insured as in the tennant agreement. I am certain these people are not either.

[480sparky]

i have a neighbor that needed a circuit run to his detached garage, his wife works at a hotel and she gets the hotel to pay for the materials...anyways, she goes with the "electrician" to get the materials...he come sback with white pvc and white pvc 90's...ya know the ones that would be impossible to pull a wire through....he also gets a qo panel with homeline breakers....did you know this guy makes over 75k a year doing "eletrical" work at the hotel?

Depends on the hotel. If it's a huge one, then a person could easily be a commercial electrician and still not have a clue about roping houses.

We're all ignorant.... just in different areas.:wink:

[peter d]

We're all ignorant.... just in different areas.:wink:

Speak for yourself. I know everything there is to know about electrical work, and then some. :cool:

[c2500]

Since it is a condo, the HO should have gotten permission from the association to run new wiring. If the jack legs had any sense, they would have pulled the old water heater wiring out of the underslab conduit, while pulling new wire in. That of course assumes they have a clue what they were doing. Then the issue of a permit, which would require a licensed EC, that would also have had a business license (which you have to be an EC to obtain) might have given the old guys a bit of a problem also.

c2500

[480sparky]

Speak for yourself. I know everything there is to know about electrical work, and then some. :cool:

I'm still trying to find out what color the green ground screw is.....8-)

[NolaTigaBait]

come on...even a commercial guy should know that running wire in white pvc isnt code...

[emahler]

Speak for yourself. I know everything there is to know about electrical work, and then some. :cool:

that's only cause you have been a master electrician since you were 4 years old....

[asti1]

You got to LOVE it :D

[peter d]

that's only cause you have been a master electrician since you were 4 years old....

Right, also I studied under the Master himself, Iwire.

[charlie]

At least I know that 3 - 250 kcmil conductors in 3/4" PVC; the PVC means, "Pipe Very Crowded". :D

[480sparky]

At least I know that 3 - 250 kcmil conductors in 3/4" PVC; the PVC means, "Pipe Very Crowded". :D

I also know a keyless fixture cannot be unlocked. :D:D

[Cow]

come on...even a commercial guy should know that running wire in white pvc isnt code...

Also, even a commercial guy would know Homeline breakers aren't gonna fit a QO panel...:roll:

[480sparky]

Also, even a commercial guy would know Homeline breakers aren't gonna fit a QO panel...:roll:

All he saw was Square D.....:cool:

[ctmike]

I have found cutler hammer breakers in a qo pannel

[Jesse7623]

I know an electrician who was apprenticed in Germany for several years...He is also trained in plumbing ...He is a brilliant man but he told me once,"If I want to do electrical I do electrical, if I want to do plumbing I do plumbing , but why would I do plumbing for my electrical?" he said this in regards to using any type of pipe or conduit for wires.I was totally amazed.i guess when in Rome do as the Romans do.:cool: