Field modifications

[goldstar]

It's hard to put this into words so I thought a picture would do the trick. A homeowner gutted his 2nd floor bathroom and pulled up the floor before we came in, only to find these remodeled, remodel type hi-hats. :

Remodeled hi-hat-1 (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/goldstar13397/Rates007.jpg)

The plumber was also creative in this one and bent a saddle in his water line. Is necessity really the mother of invention :rolleyes:

Remodeled hi-hat-2 (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/goldstar13397/Rates008.jpg)

[wbalsam1]

Was this done by the plumber or the electrician, or do you know? :-?:smile:

[bphgravity]

Isn't it odd that electric, plumbing, and mechanical equipment always seem to end up needing to occupy the same place...

[celtic]

It's hard to put this into words so I thought a picture would do the trick. A homeowner gutted his 2nd floor bathroom and pulled up the floor before we came in, only to find these remodeled, remodel type hi-hats. :
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OMG.

At least they knew enough to protect the cold water line from heating up :grin:

[jeremysterling]

Wouldn't that light need to be on a GFCI?:D

[peter d]

Those cans are no longer air tight. ;)

[emahler]

new aerated model of recessed cans

[iwire]

OMG.

Don't act Innocent, you recognized that immediately. :D

At least they knew enough to protect the cold water line from heating up :grin:

I thought the cut was done very cleanly, of course the correct way would have been to go up stairs and notch out both joists from the holes up and just bend the copper up. :wink:

[jeremysterling]

Wouldn't that light need to be on a GFCI?:D

I guess not, its not a lum inside a wet location. It's a wet location inside a lum!:grin:

[celtic]

Don't act Innocent, you recognized that immediately. :D



Everyone recognizes my work :D

[Minuteman]

That's a clean cut. It may be hack work, but it was not hacked up! Somebody took a lot of good time to something the wrong way.

[goldstar]

Was this done by the plumber or the electrician, or do you know?Don't know, but would it make a difference ? If you were setting in a toilet would you cut away part of the packing donut to get it to fit :confused::grin: Isn't it odd that electric, plumbing, and mechanical equipment always seem to end up needing to occupy the same place...I guess it's a question of who gets there first. Probably wouldn't have had a problem if the plumber came in 2nd and used PEX. Those cans are no longer air tight.This is the new version to meet the energy code. It allows the hot air to escape and heat the rest of the ceiling. Kind of like having a ridge vent cut into your roof. It creates a natural convection.:grin:

[emahler]

Everyone recognizes my work :D

yeah....that's not a good thing:D

[goldstar]

That's a clean cut. It may be hack work, but it was not hacked up! Somebody took a lot of good time to something the wrong way.You're right. I can say with certainty that had I chose to do something like that the cut wouldn't look anything like the perfect cut that was made. Probably used a side grinder or Fein Multi-tool. Either way, a lot of thought went into making the cut, as you said.

[celtic]

...only to find these remodeled, remodel type hi-hats....

Was this done by the plumber or the electrician, or do you know? :-?:smile:

I don't think we can blame the plumber for this....the cans are remodels and the copper pipes look a little aged.

[ptonsparky]

Is the pipe insulation to keep the water from getting hot, if it sleaves a coldwater pipe, or the can from getting warmer if the pipe is hot water? To many questions to little time.

[r_merc]

I'm Impressed with the plumbers Saddle. Must of been a plumbtrician I didn't think that such a thing was in a plumbers bag of tricks.

Rick

[Fulthrotl]

That's a clean cut. It may be hack work, but it was not hacked up! Somebody took a lot of good time to something the wrong way.

gotta love those plasma cutters... if you are gonna hack it, hack it right.

[bjp_ne_elec]

OMG.

At least they knew enough to protect the cold water line from heating up :grin:

I'm surprised that foam insulation didn't light up. That's scary that someone would actually button something like that up.

[220/221]

Was this done by the plumber or the electrician, or do you know?

It was clearly done by the person who installed the remodel can. I wouldn't refer to him as an electrician though.

I admit, I have banged the top of a can or two to squeeze it in to an unexpected obstacle, but that is a little much. I have even popped the rivets off the top,trimmed the can down with tin snips and screwed the top back on.:cool:


BTW, he should have seen the pipe when he pulled out the original JB and just relocated it a bit.

[wbalsam1]

It was clearly done by the person who installed the remodel can. I wouldn't refer to him as an electrician though.

I admit, I have banged the top of a can or two to squeeze it in to an unexpected obstacle, but that is a little much. I have even popped the rivets off the top,trimmed the can down with tin snips and screwed the top back on.:cool:


BTW, he should have seen the pipe when he pulled out the original JB and just relocated it a bit.


In all the many years that I did electrical work I was very fortunate to never install a can in a spot in the ceiling that had an obstacle right where the homeowner wanted the light. Very lucky, I guess. If I would've run into this predicament, I would of convinced the HO to relocate one or the other, I never would have - on the sly - field-modified a listed fixture to adapt to those existing conditions. No way. :)

[peter d]

If only that "electrician" owned a flashlight, he could have clearly seen that pipe when he removed the old j-box. But alas, I'm expecting far too much for that fella with excellent metal working skills.

[ptonsparky]

In all the many years that I did electrical work I was very fortunate to never install a can in a spot in the ceiling that had an obstacle right where the homeowner wanted the light. Very lucky, I guess. If I would've run into this predicament, I would of convinced the HO to relocate one or the other, I never would have - on the sly - field-modified a listed fixture to adapt to those existing conditions. No way. :)

I may have ended up with a can that might have suffered a "small dent" in the installation processs.:grin:

[wireguru]

Was this done by the plumber or the electrician, or do you know? :-?:smile:


i think the can was modified by a plumber(1), and the copper pipe with the saddle in it was installed by an electrician(2)


1 = homeowner
2 = unlicensed handyman

[jaylectricity]

I had to do that once, but I covered the hole with aluminum tape.

[Dennis Alwon]

I had to do that once, but I covered the hole with aluminum tape.

Are you looking for trouble....:D

[jaylectricity]

Are you looking for trouble....:D

It's OK, I taped some ice cubes in there.

[Minuteman]

I got it... If the foam insulation heats up from the fixture, the resulting fire will become hot enough to melt the solder on the copper pipe, water will squirt out, thus putting out the fire. Presto! The self extinguishing fire hazard! The dude is a freaking genius. :grin:

[alfiesauce]

In all the many years that I did electrical work I was very fortunate to never install a can in a spot in the ceiling that had an obstacle right where the homeowner wanted the light. Very lucky, I guess. If I would've run into this predicament, I would of convinced the HO to relocate one or the other, I never would have - on the sly - field-modified a listed fixture to adapt to those existing conditions. No way. :)

Your a very nice person to let the homeowner decide where remodel cans go.
I allow them to decide the general layout they are hoping for and let all the joists and crap like this decide where they really go. 8-)

[electricmanscott]

Since it's probably been that way for quite a while, obviously it isn't that big of a deal.

I wouldn't blame the plumber on this.

[peter d]

I wouldn't blame the plumber on this.

I blame myself, because I'm the hack that put it in. I've always admitted to being a hack, but now pictures of my hack work are on the 'net. :mad:

[JohnME]

Is that really your work? I too am a hack, is there really an issue doing this? I would rather deal with this then the homeowner who is now yelling about a ceiling patch.

[Mr.Sparkle]

Why not just a shallow can?

Maybe an electrician didn't do it after all.......

[MJW]

I' ve never hit anything while intalling a can light but I did find a 1/2 inch water line while installing a ceiling speaker. Luckily it was at my house so I removed my belt and rounded up my plumbing tools. It wasn't much fun sweating pipe through a 6 X 10 hole but I got it done. I wish I would have known about sharkbite fittings back then. Those things ROCK!

[peter d]

I wish I would have known about sharkbite fittings back then. Those things ROCK!

Even before Sharkbite fittings came out they made/make compression fittings for normal household sized (1/2", 3/4") copper tubing.

[LarryFine]

I blame myself, because I'm the hack that put it in. I've always admitted to being a hack, but now pictures of my hack work are on the 'net. :mad:At the next HA (Hacks Anonymous) meeting:

Peter: "Hello. My name is Peter. I'm a hack"

Group: "Hello, Peter!"

[peter d]

At the next HA (Hacks Anonymous) meeting:

Peter: "Hello. My name is Peter. I'm a hack"

Group: "Hello, Peter!"

Psshh...I run the Hack Anonymous organization. I don't go to the actual meetings anymore.

[alfiesauce]

Is that really your work? I too am a hack, is there really an issue doing this? I would rather deal with this then the homeowner who is now yelling about a ceiling patch.

I see no reason why this installation is wrong other then the potential risk of fire it creates.

[JohnME]

Thats what they make firemen for :)

[wbalsam1]

I see no reason why this installation is wrong other then the potential risk of fire it creates.

..............:D

[sparkchaser1961]

It's hard to put this into words so I thought a picture would do the trick. A homeowner gutted his 2nd floor bathroom and pulled up the floor before we came in, only to find these remodeled, remodel type hi-hats. :

Remodeled hi-hat-1 (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/goldstar13397/Rates007.jpg)

The plumber was also creative in this one and bent a saddle in his water line. Is necessity really the mother of invention :rolleyes:

Remodeled hi-hat-2 (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/goldstar13397/Rates008.jpg)

The first pic shows enough junctioning going on. Geez.

[LarryFine]

I see no reason why this installation is wrong other then the potential risk of fire it creates.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"