new home wiring

[jethro]

about how much wire is in the average house 3000 sq. foot or so. 14-2, 14-3, 12-2, 12-3, 10-3, 8-3

[celtic]

That's kind of hard to determine...what does "average" mean ~ ranch, McMansion, 3 story (Brownstone).
Are the appliances ALL electric?
Are they located in close proximity to the panel, etc.

[mdshunk]

For an all electric house, I usually start with a spool each of 14-2, 14-3, 12-2, and 12-3. I start with a roll each of 10-2, 10-3, and 8-3. Normally there's leftovers, and sometimes I need more of certain gauges. The average home does not exist.

[macmikeman]

The average home does not exist. I don't know. Before I learned how to gouge(I mean er, um, charge appropriately), I used to live in some very avarage houses. Not anymore.

[George Stolz]

Jethro, that is an exceedingly odd question. Why do you ask?

[BruceH]

[/QUOTE]I don't know. Before I learned how to gouge(I mean er, um, charge appropriately), I used to live in some very avarage houses. Not anymore. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Good for you!

[peter d]

10 million feet.

[PlnOldRick]

Originally posted by peter d:
10 million feet. dont listen to this guy.....its really 10 million and 1 feet, geez.

[jethro]

just checking for integrity of posters (i am new to forum)

[jethro]

i am not being rude but am just starting out after working for others who used my licence for years in large commercial and industrial jobs.
i have found on the first three homes i have wired that i use about 4000' 14-2, 1000' 12-2, and so on was wanting to see if i could ask ? and get honest answers (houses are average mid to upper income lots of cans.)

[electricmanscott]

Originally posted by jethro:
just checking for integrity of posters (i am new to forum) So let me get this straight. This is a Test for the integrity of the posters. :)

[electricmanscott]

Oh I forgot the first question of your test.

Would you require a circuit that feeds only an outdoor flood light controlled from a switch in a bedroom to be afci protected? (this circuit contains no addtional outlets)

[PlnOldRick]

Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Oh I forgot the first question of your test.

Would you require a circuit that feeds only an outdoor flood light controlled from a switch in a bedroom to be afci protected? (this circuit contains no addtional outlets) here we go again.........

[gerns]

Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Oh I forgot the first question of your test.

Would you require a circuit that feeds only an outdoor flood light controlled from a switch in a bedroom to be afci protected? (this circuit contains no addtional outlets) Yes

[iwire]

Originally posted by gerns:
Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Oh I forgot the first question of your test.

Would you require a circuit that feeds only an outdoor flood light controlled from a switch in a bedroom to be afci protected? (this circuit contains no addtional outlets) Yes Why?

[roger]

I second Bob's "why"

Roger

[jethro]

no electricmanscott a switch to control an out door light is not required to be afci protected neither are phone lines or catv or intercom or low voltage switches or network cables in fact when you get right down to it most bedroom electrical is not protected but the nec is making a start.

[George Stolz]

Well, Jethro, before the thread gets locked, I will just say that this is an impossible question. On a typical 2000 sq ft (give or take) home, I will use around 2000 ft 14-2, 1250 12-2, 750 14-3.

It's truly dependent on the house and how you pull.

and so on was wanting to see if i could ask ? and get honest answersYou can get honest answers from anyone. The key is, getting correct answers. There is no correct answer to your question. I have learned volumes here, I hope you stick around. :)

You'll learn who you can "trust" and who you'll question. The key is: Question everything. Verify what you see here by yourself, and call anyone to task when they err. Because in the errors are lessons, for those who just read, and for those who write the errors.

Your test from me: I made an erroneous statement regarding the color orange within the past month, and no one called me out on it (to my knowledge). If you can find it, and report my error with a code reference, then that is your test from me. :)

I was going to search it out and correct it, but haven't had time. So you can have it. ;)

[jethro]

oops i also for got backup power circuits as in alarm clock and required smoke detectors w/battery back up ironic that the very thing that detects fire can fail and cause the fire and yes i have seen catv dish systems cause fires.

[jethro]

gee what did i start i just want to learn well georgestolz
i have found several errors with the color orange it appears everytime you use orange you misstep (as i always make mistakes i need not be told about mine) first it is apples to oranges not apples and oranges, 2. nifty orange deviders can be purchased seperatly you state they are in them. 3. traveler color identified referance already corrected as for the last one i will have to read up to check but the quote above your comment has 120/240 high leg(should be 120/208)

[sandsnow]

Originally posted by georgestolz:


You'll learn who you can "trust" and who you'll question. The key is: Question everything. Verify what you see here by yourself, and call anyone to task when they err. Because in the errors are lessons, for those who just read, and for those who write the errors.


Question Everything.
I'll second that. Sound advice George.

[charlie b]

Originally posted by georgestolz: Well, Jethro, before the thread gets locked. . . .And don't think it wouldn't be, if we start heading down a "certain" path. :eek:

[jethro]

i seem to come across wrong my typing seems rude but it is not meant that way i am an easy going guy but my written words seem not to convey my attitude.

[George Stolz]

Originally posted by jethro:
gee what did i start i just want to learn well georgestolz You can call me George. :)

i have found several errors with the color orange it appears everytime you use orange you misstepI percieve this statement as offensive. No call for that.
(as i always make mistakes i need not be told about mine)I applaud your humility. I take issue with your sarcasm, as I try to be as open with my mistakes as I can.

first it is apples to oranges not apples and oranges (http://www.mikeholt.com/codeforum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000301#000001)U hh . . . okay :)


as for the last one i will have to read up to check but the quote above your comment has 120/240 high leg(should be 120/208) There is no high leg on a 120/208 system. See this thread (http://www.mikeholt.com/cgi-bin/codeforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=007277;p=1#000 003) for a full explanation. It was on your list: all occurances of the term "orange" by member 19734. :) to cushion the blow. It may sound stupid, but it is an effective way to avoid hurt feelings. ;)

Edit to add:

I'm a bit confused, because I couldn't find the post I was sending you to in the first place. I must not have submitted it. On occasion, I will write a book and a half and then realize, "Hey! This adds nothing to the discussion!"

So, I apologize for sending you on a wild goose chase. What I wrote at one point in the past month was in essence that the way the code was worded you could have every conductor in a 3Ø 120/240 system as orange - as long as the high-leg was marked orange, the code would be satisfied. I must have caught my error at the time, and not posted it.

The weird thing is, it popped back into my head as truth afterwards, and I rediscovered for the fourteenth time that it wasn't true. We'll see if it sticks this time. :p

[ November 15, 2005, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]

[stars13bars2]

Sign at supply house counter:

Answers $2.00 :)
Answers which require thought $5.00 :(
Dumb looks are still free. :D

[jethro]

sorry i must have blacked out for a sec and been thinking it said 240 was the high leg voltage on a delta system that is not corner ground or an open delta on center tap delta it is true that one phase to center of the other two is the high leg (23 years of industrial exp and i still goof up)icon shows embarasment?

[George Stolz]

Originally posted by jethro:
sorry i must have blacked out for a secHappens to all of us. :)
(23 years of industrial exp and i still goof up)And some punk with 3 days of commercial to rub together had the audacity to point out your mistake, and that's what's cool about this place. Everybody has different experience to poll from, and an equal voice. :o <--This one.

[Jason_H]

Originally posted by georgestolz:
Well, Jethro, before the thread gets locked, I will just say that this is an impossible question. On a typical 2000 sq ft (give or take) home, I will use around 2000 ft 14-2, 1250 12-2, 750 14-3.Ok... just looking around the site and I am by no means a electrician, but why would you need to use 14-2 vs 12-2? Couldn't you just use 14-2 for all your 15amp circuits? What do you use the 12-2 for?

[iwire]

Originally posted by Jason_H:
Couldn't you just use 14-2 for all your 15amp circuits? What do you use the 12-2 for? You need 12/2 for the code required 20 amp circuits.