Newbie JIW "Foreman"..Comically BAD 1st Job

[sparky252]

Hi!

Quote of the Day: "It is not the general contractor's job to receive/handle RFI's". HUH?

I got my first job to run. I have been posting on a thread I started a week ago on Electrical Engineering. I thought I'd start a new thread to post a daily update...for info/suggestions and for your enjoyment. This job easily falls under the "school of hard knocks" but, BOY, am I learning alot. And, I guess, so is the GC Rep. I'm gonna assume that anyway.

Job: Commercial, small kitchen remodel and later some hospital patient room's headwalls & nursecall system. I have been stuck in a twlight zone of only the kitchen so far..patient rooms later. This is a state gov't job. And, accessible to the jobsite is extremely limited and secure.

Today's best quote was: the GC Rep said to me, "It is not the general contractor's job to receive/handle RFI's". HUH?

It would take many long posts to describe my days. Short version: Prints, between electrical and food service equipment contracting, have many errors & omissions, inconsistencies, conflicts and vagueness. I first verbalize questions to GC Rep for days (my "bad"). After 2 weeks, I started writing my first RFI's..."my bad" again. (I've never even seen one b4). Yesterday, I discovered he had been squirrling them away in his gangbox. If you think he has been faxing them somewhere. You are wrong. He's kidnapped them, I guess. I asked, "Did you fax those RFI's to your office?", he said "No".:) (Is their an RFI tooth fairy that comes to the GC's gangbox occassionally, to leave writen responses?)

I think today was a turning point tho. GC Rep, who's primary job seems to be running a jackhammer & laborer, nearly shoved the phone on my ear and proudly announced that he had the architect on the phone for me, for my answers. Poor GC Rep thought his problems w/ my requiring questions was over. Wrong! His look of relief quickly changed to distress as he stood beside me to hear conversation.

Architect says, "I will answer your questions when I GET the RFI's", as if I hadn't sent any. At this point, I thought I should explain to him why I thought he hadn't got 'em yet. Cause the GC Rep has 'em in his gangbox, some 12 days old and he just told me it is not their (GC) job, according to his office. They are from out-of-toen, so maybe they do things differently.

Diplomatically, I hope, I pointed out to the architect that these prints seem to have more errors, etc than usual. I quickly suggested that it may be due to lack of accessibilty to this unusual jobsite. Maybe had to rely more heavily on phone conversations, as-builts and coordinating w/ a food service equipment contractor. He quickly agreed. (Heck, I don't know...maybe too many cooks in the kitchen...no pun intended). Regardless, these prints are wacked! Far more than, "all prints today are bad".

Architect further asked if the customer facilty "had stopped by to see me today, to handle my questions?", like there were few questions or simple discussion. I said "Yes, but...", before I addressed all issues, they got a headache, decided it was out of their scope and required the architect to solve. (I don't blme 'em). I think I told him, that at this point, I clearly need answers in writing.

I then handed phone back to GC Rep. I paused to listen and then decided not, cause I had a good idea what the architect was about to tell poor GC Rep the jackhammer operator. And I bet the GC's office got their own call immediately after.

(Keep in mind I am wingin' it and do not have a co-pilot and my contractor seems to be inaccessible/unavailable, for various reasons. One, "I like my foreman to figure it out themselves". I am but it just not pretty....Yet!

But, this past week has been fun at times. This same GC Rep has been trying to push me for a rough inspection. Aw, I need answers first.

Daily work completed: Work completed by 2 JIW's... In spite of our hard efforts, only permanently installed 4' of emt and temporarily raised (6) 2X4 flourescent lights so ceiling grid can be demo'd. Why? After 2 hrs got chased out of small work area (700 sq ') by TWO jackhammers from GC, wasted 2 hrs on standby/prepping for the arrival of architect (so said the GC Rep) and another 2 hrs discussing it w/ who was actually sent it to discuss it w/ us plus lunch. Was a waste of time, except the lunch part.

Then, after fooling around w/ fanthom architect visit, visit by "crowned" customer rep who left w/ a headache, we again tempted to do some prep work in a future worksite w/in facility...but, had to spend about an hr physically moving/securing another trades tools/material so no one got killed. (A substitue guard goofed up and left a potentially dangerous situation).

Safety first...ya know, especially here.

We have the same 2 guards daily, except when the GC fails to "coordinate trades" & has us all over the facility. I had been thinking that that has only been merely a hassle and a time/waster to subs. But just now, I realized that his incompetence is actually creating unnecessary or more dangerous work conditions for us and whole friggin' facility. I will aid addressing this to the top correctional officer inspector, to my to-do list. I won't be patient w/ that one.

That is a whole different ballgame of unsafe conditons like him just drilling out floor under my ladder...while I am on it.





I'm gonna start a post on what are typical foreman, contractor and general contractor duties.

[sparky252]

(I'm cross posting from another website. A good, solid contractor. No, I am not a contractor but I seem to need to be an acting contractor).

The day before...

Daily Update: Ya Can't Fix Stupid!
Daily Update:

(Tell me this is not going to be the norm, please. Today was very entertaining but my writing of it sounds flat tonight. I'm tired).

Today, former tool partner joined me for 2 days to see if he can straighten me out alittle and to get his opinion on job. It only took me about 5 minutes to get his head swirling about the prints.

I was glad to hear confirmed that it was not all due to my lack of experience/skills. I tend to believe it is my fault when I don't know/understand something. And at this job there was much to not understand.


We had alot of fun. Job is so bad it is funny. Us 2 sparkies and 2 plumbers found ourselves parked on chairs next to elevator for our escorts to go to different work areas. $$$ Another time we were leaning on walls, waiting. And you would have to be there to fully understand why it was important to wait vs wander off to try to do something else.$$$ to sub's

We got talking..... Plumber foreman shared he ran into my boss OUTSIDE the fences as he was dropping off a check. (Boss don't like to come in here or answer questions). Plumber foreman had the opportunity to tell my boss that "Job is bad...alot of downtime waiting for escorts/too many trades, little room due to lack of coordination by GC Rep/GC Rep don't have a clue, prints real bad, etc." I had tried to tell him (boss) same.

Example: 1 guard and 5 construction workers traveled w/ me as a group so I could fax my copies of RFI's to my shop so that some higher authority can actually see them and respond, b4 Christmas?. I found it funny that I guess you could say that I had 6 escorts for my faxing. And, it took alot of effort to "break 'em out of jail (RFI's). $$$ to sub's

There was several opportunities today for the job & GC Rep to be discussed since we had alot of down time cause no one let the facility know that extra trades were coming today so extra guards were needed, were not scheduled. $$$ to sub's

Apparently, it is a very big deal (security) when you have a concrete saw cutting co. come in w/ alot of large saw blades to cut floor and core drill, in this facility. And, it would of been great for us to know that we could NOT work in our small, immediate area due to surprize saw cutting.

Group opinion:

*GC Rep totally lost...like criminally almost.
*Think he may of worn out his welcome w/ top guard director today.
*Job has huge lost time and some directly due to lack of coordination and failure to communicate, especially w/ my install.
*A actual jackhammer laborer showed up today, to give GC Rep relief from his jackhammer duties. He accidently heard us discussing his fellow employeee, GC Rep. At that point he joined in. Someone asked what his (GC Rep) background was and he said commercial for 10 years. Then asked what was the problem and the guy simply said..."Ya can't fix stupid".

And, a mystery man from GC showed up at end of day. As I was leaving I was told he was sent down from office to see what was going on (w/ GC Rep). Interesting. And I heard it was not a trade that called their office. Maybe we'll have a new GC Rep tomorrow.

The GC Rep gave me a 2nd sortof answer to 1 of 6 RFI's (BTW, the # should be much higher...RFI's). He walked up proudly to say that the architect did make a mistake. He listed an extra recept that was not there (but in a complicated collection of recepts. There are about 12 that are questionable & in this case, knowing which was the culprit was very important). I suggested, "this one" pointing at print locations. He said ya, w/ relief on face. I don't think so. Then I pointed to the one that it might be (my guess), he almost agreed w/ that one too but stopped short. I said I need it in writing. He trotted away. (To call architect or put out some created fire).

BTW, all my RFI's are still sitting safely in his gangbox, cause I xeroxed them today...my carbon copies are less legitable. Some 10 days old already. Normally I would assume they had been faxed to appropriate parties (GC office). I'd begun to suspect he was keeping them to himself, close to his heart? I asked today, "Have you faxed my RFI's to your office?", he said "no". But, by god, he asked me how much more rough-in do I need to do? I said, I need answers. He has been waiting to get ahold of architect personally on phone to ask my numerous questions. Some verbalized to GC Rep in September.

My partner tried to answer GC Rep's question of what the problems were, like it was one or 2 things and why he asking my temporary partner? My partner got about 3-4 sentences into requested answer and then found himself talking to self. GC Rep wandered off. My parnter just looked at me in amazement.

I don't remember what else 'interesting" happened today. I'm tired.

I am learning alot and sometimes there is good value in learning how NOT to do a job. I am thinking I am getting a crash course, like accelerated-paced Job don'ts from my first job.

Tomorrow temp. partner and I will actually try to install something. And you could say plumbers & I are "teaming up" in a united front to claim/demand space in our worksite/guards. Weird!!

[mdshunk]

Sparky252....

I don't see a question in there, but your posts have value in my opinion.

Your posts are worth the price of admission for their humor value and a little insight into your 3-ring circus. I sure sounds like you're dealing with the situation in the best way you can, and I'm learning as much from your learning experience as you probably hope you'll learn by posting here.

Seldom do I get on such a messed up job as you seem to be on, so it's nice to get another perspective on how someone else handles it. I'd have probably already gone nuts and given myself a 'time out'.

[sparky252]

Sparky252....

I don't see a question in there, but your posts have value in my opinion.

Your posts are worth the price of admission for their humor value and a little insight into your 3-ring circus. I sure sounds like you're dealing with the situation in the best way you can, and I'm learning as much from your learning experience as you probably hope you'll learn by posting here.

Seldom do I get on such a messed up job as you seem to be on, so it's nice to get another perspective on how someone else handles it. I'd have probably already gone nuts and given myself a 'time out'.

I want to thank you for those comments. I am truly roflol at your comments. I am so glad that it is not all me and my lack of experience/skill.

Again..........Thank You!

I also think this has become a form of therapy for me to write about it nightly here (& there). Also, a form of job journal & personal journaling as I heard on Dr. Phil or something.

P.S. You get around.

P.S.S. I am glad to serve.

[JohnJ0906]

Boy, I tell you, I haven't taken a drink in over 5 years, but that job might just do it! Seriously, you seem to be it handleing well, considering the total lack of support. Just love it when the GC can't do his job, can't answer questions, can't coordinate traades, can't schedule.... BUT can ask "Whens my inspection?" Kepp the faith, bro!

[sparky252]

(Crosspost)

Daily Update
Update, if interested.

Quote of the Day: "How'd you get that threaded rod to stick in the ceiling?"

I decided to give shop a job update. http://www.contractortalk.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif I banged out a few pages and took to shop and glad excellent office woman manager was there so I would not be tempted to shoot my "contractor". http://www.contractortalk.com/images/smilies/furious.gif Yep, think I got an official case of "Red Arse". (tho never have heard a definition of it, but I know it don't feel good).

He was able to squeeze out 30 mins for me but I knew that was a drop in the bucket. Info I did manage to glean: RFI's go to shop first (too late) cause it's the contractor's job!, again I saw the lips form to say "No questions a stupid question"...(my arse).. Ya, right...talk the talk, been there done that. Anyway, I think my typed words I handed him may get some action. I noticed the office mgr gently steering us back on course when we seemed to stray into, let's say, unproductive conversating.http://www.contractortalk.com/images/smilies/furious.gif SHe's good.

He suggested/I asked for a 2nd person for a day or 2. I got a good guy coming tomorrow. We have "tool partner'd" before. I figure it will take about 5 hrs to bring him up to speed, but on the otherhand it might only take 1-2 minutes.

I've been thinking this GC Rep might be new and know little like me. Clues: As I was disconnecting the electrical from Walk-in cooler for demo, he says "Is there freon in the system still?" I don't know. "Can you see if there is freon in the system?". Apparently I looked real smart that day and I was an electrician and a food service equipment specialist/hvac, whatever.

Then, I was cutting EMT conduit to manageable lengths of 30", getting ready to "chase Brickies", "Why don't you just use full length pieces?" Well, I took the time to example why the Brickies would kill me, if they had to lift heavy concrete blocks up 8-10' in air for my pipe.

Today, I was standing on ladder w/head near ceiling, not far from my newly installed unistrut & 3/8" threaded rod conduit trapeze hanging horizontal support for pipe, water supply, heat ducts, etc in commercial jobs), he asked "How'd you get those threaded rods stuck in the ceiling ?"(concrete). :) (I'm glad my face was hidden from him). I said, "3/8" drop-in anchors". I added, in case he was going to check in specs, "they are a steel expandable anchor", right?

Added: Today, my temp. partner suggested I should of told him that I just threw 'em up hard and they stuck, the crete was green".

Those are some of the reasons I am trying to be selective of what questions I ask, on the job, while I am on stage.

OK, maybe I shouldn't make fun of him but this is the GC Rep. And if he only has worked resi than how did he jump to commercial, secure facility, hospital for the state? That's a big leap. Maybe too much dust. And this is my, on-the-job go-to man who is sitting on my ?useless/kidnapped RFI's while asking me when I will be ready for a rough inspection.

I had a good day cause I cleaned up some "stuff". I expect tomorrow to be even more enjoyable.

I'll be xeroxing the original RFI's, that the GC Rep has been sitting on starting 8 days ago...Seeing what "magic" or hell raising this good partner can come up w/. And I think I'll spend some quality time in my foreman journal.

[JOHNEO99]

you need a good super from an experienced company


'' BACK UP FROM YOUR OFFICE DAMNIT '':D

[mdshunk]

Yes, I agree that she should be getting backup from her office. On the other hand, they threw her into this, she hasn't quit, and she's learning a lot. After this job, she'll be qualified to lead an army into war. It's smooth downhill coasting after you have this job under your belt.

[JOHNEO99]

(Crosspost)

Daily Update
Update, if interested.

Quote of the Day: "How'd you get that threaded rod to stick in the ceiling?"

I decided to give shop a job update. http://www.contractortalk.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif I banged out a few pages and took to shop and glad excellent office woman manager was there so I would not be tempted to shoot my "contractor". http://www.contractortalk.com/images/smilies/furious.gif Yep, think I got an official case of "Red Arse". (tho never have heard a definition of it, but I know it don't feel good).

He was able to squeeze out 30 mins for me but I knew that was a drop in the bucket. Info I did manage to glean: RFI's go to shop first (too late) cause it's the contractor's job!, again I saw the lips form to say "No questions a stupid question"...(my arse).. Ya, right...talk the talk, been there done that. Anyway, I think my typed words I handed him may get some action. I noticed the office mgr gently steering us back on course when we seemed to stray into, let's say, unproductive conversating.http://www.contractortalk.com/images/smilies/furious.gif SHe's good.

He suggested/I asked for a 2nd person for a day or 2. I got a good guy coming tomorrow. We have "tool partner'd" before. I figure it will take about 5 hrs to bring him up to speed, but on the otherhand it might only take 1-2 minutes.

I've been thinking this GC Rep might be new and know little like me. Clues: As I was disconnecting the electrical from Walk-in cooler for demo, he says "Is there freon in the system still?" I don't know. "Can you see if there is freon in the system?". Apparently I looked real smart that day and I was an electrician and a food service equipment specialist/hvac, whatever.

Then, I was cutting EMT conduit to manageable lengths of 30", getting ready to "chase Brickies", "Why don't you just use full length pieces?" Well, I took the time to example why the Brickies would kill me, if they had to lift heavy concrete blocks up 8-10' in air for my pipe.

Today, I was standing on ladder w/head near ceiling, not far from my newly installed unistrut & 3/8" threaded rod conduit trapeze hanging horizontal support for pipe, water supply, heat ducts, etc in commercial jobs), he asked "How'd you get those threaded rods stuck in the ceiling ?"(concrete). :) (I'm glad my face was hidden from him). I said, "3/8" drop-in anchors". I added, in case he was going to check in specs, "they are a steel expandable anchor", right?

Added: Today, my temp. partner suggested I should of told him that I just threw 'em up hard and they stuck, the crete was green".

Those are some of the reasons I am trying to be selective of what questions I ask, on the job, while I am on stage.

OK, maybe I shouldn't make fun of him but this is the GC Rep. And if he only has worked resi than how did he jump to commercial, secure facility, hospital for the state? That's a big leap. Maybe too much dust. And this is my, on-the-job go-to man who is sitting on my ?useless/kidnapped RFI's while asking me when I will be ready for a rough inspection.

I had a good day cause I cleaned up some "stuff". I expect tomorrow to be even more enjoyable.

I'll be xeroxing the original RFI's, that the GC Rep has been sitting on starting 8 days ago...Seeing what "magic" or hell raising this good partner can come up w/. And I think I'll spend some quality time in my foreman journal.

For the GP rep to jump from resi to comm. is the same step you would take if you went to resi. Big step but not necessarily up just vastly different.

[sparky252]

Boy, I tell you, I haven't taken a drink in over 5 years, but that job might just do it! Seriously, you seem to be it handleing well, considering the total lack of support. Just love it when the GC can't do his job, can't answer questions, can't coordinate traades, can't schedule.... BUT can ask "Whens my inspection?" Kepp the faith, bro!

Hi!

I ain't drank for 20 years but I was fondly remembering Southern Comfort shots today...Just a passing thought. Instead, I'm writing you guys.

Thaks for being there!

[sparky252]

For the GP rep to jump from resi to comm. is the same step you would take if you went to resi. Big step but not necessarily up just vastly different.


"Different" ...like me jumpin' from newbie JIW to "foreman"+

:)

[jim sutton]

This is great-- you should write a book.
The foreman's journal is the best thing you can do. After the job is over, you will get blamed by your absent contractor for the job being a loser. This is exactly what makes good, ambitious journeymen turn complacent and lose interest.

I have seen many jobs where the GC super was just a glorified carpenter or laborer. Your guy probably cant even turn in his own time cards much less your RFI's.

[sparky252]

After this job, she'll be qualified to lead an army into war. It's smooth downhill coasting after you have this job under your belt.

So, this isn't a normal job? :) Thank god cause I think another "it's a small job, just moving around some things in kitchen and nursecall system in some headwalls" would kill me.

That plumber did say this "was not a normal job".

:-)

P.S. How can I get more smilies (CP Users) or I gotta earn it? And, I think a limit of 4 or 6 smilies is not enough. Some of my days require at least 12-14.

[e57]

Just thank the stars it could be worse....

You're dealing with an idiot... You could be dealing with an absolute MOFO who actually knew what they were doing to mess with you. I've had that before - Pushed all the subs to the brink of hitting him - solely for his out autocratic sadistic pleasure fest. He got top quality out of everyone out of long standing company relationships, but didn't have to tweek them like he thought he did to do it. Eventually all the foremen got together and went over his head, or just refused to work with him. (Like I did) Eventually his jobs gradually deteriated, and he got sacked. The nickle and dime - total lack of cooperation action came back to haunt him. The "G" in GC does not mean God!

[sparky252]

Just thank the stars it could be worse....

You're dealing with an idiot... You could be dealing with an absolute MOFO who actually knew what they were doing to mess with you. I've had that before - Pushed all the subs to the brink of hitting him - solely for his out autocratic sadistic pleasure fest. He got top quality out of everyone out of long standing company relationships, but didn't have to tweek them like he thought he did to do it. Eventually all the foremen got together and went over his head, or just refused to work with him. (Like I did) Eventually his jobs gradually deteriated, and he got sacked. The nickle and dime - total lack of cooperation action came back to haunt him. The "G" in GC does not mean God!


At first, I misread your post and thought you were suggesting this submissive, quiet jacjhammering GC was the "absolute MOFO".........Thank God he is NOT. That mixed into this job turn it up a couple notches. And, I don't think that personality would mix well w/ the guards. I think the "customer" would throw a MoFo out here.

My GC Rep don't have good people skills but it is at the other end of the spectrum. Not aggressive & loud but timid & quiet. I kindof feel sorry for him. I may share some of my newly learned basic job knowledge w/ him towards end of job.

But, I have been keeping it quiet that this is my furst job to run. Cause, what do you think if GC office hears that? "Oh, say no more. No wonder the rough-in ain't done yet and FM thought RFI's go to US!" :)

So, I am walking a fine line...Don't wanna start jumping up & down too much til the ice gets thicker under me. I can feel it.

[hillbilly]

Another thought....Things aren't always as they seem.
Somebody, somewhere has got to be concerned about the $.
Government job......T&M or contract?
steve

[sparky252]

Another thought....Things aren't always as they seem.
Somebody, somewhere has got to be concerned about the $.
Government job......T&M or contract?
steve

Oh..Everybody is concerned about the $. Contract job...subcontractor, GC, customer/state....and me. I had wanted to be cost effective and timely.

[sparky252]

No Daily Update cause we are not working on Fridays there.

Added: Maybe I got an update. I decided that, given all the circumstances, incl'ing my wingin' this job, I would wirte to the architect I think I spoke to on phone briefly last work day.

I tried to write a short, clear and concise professional email. I think it was except the short part. I suggested, given this unique job/location, lack of GC'ing, short progress, etc that I communicate directly w/ him or appropriate RFI answering parties. :)

If it was a construction job faux pas, too bad. It seemed logical and common sense. And I am an unusual construction worker in an unusual job at unusual location under unusual circumstances w/ a few extra complications....That's my story and I am stickin' to it!

I do hope I sent the email to the right person tho. He told me his name twice on phone but in the friggin' confusion, GC Rep darn near pressing his head to the other side of the phone during our short, impromptu conversation...I forgot last name.

I'll let you know how that goes.

Of course, I suggested unusual communication channels for this too, i.e. my persoanl cell or email, sometime landline at jobsite providing I can hear over the jack hammering.

[sparky252]

Short version: after got a call from "contractor" I might be getting laid off or fired monday. I have mixed feelings.

[JohnJ0906]

It might be a blessing in disguse.

[DaveTap]

It sounds like a typical GC rep to me... I have a printer/copier/fax in truck so after filling out RFI it is scanned into laptop then emailed and faxed to everyone related with pictures if required. Ive worn out a few but they are well worth the $100. Some reps are good, knowing most of the answers and hunting down the ones they don't, but most are little more than cheap cleanup and security. At least it sounds like you're learning! :D

Sorry to hear your boss is talking lay-off... I hope it is not the case, then sounds like you could use the break.

[sparky252]

I refuse to believe this is typical. I undertsand that maybe job performance is decreasing but not to this level

[jim sutton]

I refuse to believe this is typical. I undertsand that maybe job performance is decreasing but not to this level

This is not typical, but... it is exactly what happens when a contractor (general or sub) gets more work than they can handle with their regular workers.

As for the problems with cordination between the arch., GC and EC, there are always issues on any job. The arch. or engineer probably did not come out and pull everything out as you are having to do to actually do the work. You are bound to discover things that the engineer didn't cover on the plans. This is where RFI's come in.

I think you should have more communication with your supervisor, especially since it is your first job as foreman. I am a contractor and would never leave a newbie foreman all alone. (I don't like to lose money).

[celtic]

Short version: after got a call from "contractor" I might be getting laid off or fired monday. I have mixed feelings.
Do they really think your "replacement" will have any greater production?

If that's the way the "contractor" thinks - do you really want to be working for him?

I wouldn't worry about it all....
...they have had the weekend to consider the "alternatives"
...after you survive this ordeal, the next one will seem like child's play.

If they want to let you go, so be it.
To me, you seem like a JW that will go beyond what is expected to perform your duties - why the hell else would you be asking questions here on your own time?
You'll take your talents and go to the next highest bidder ;)

While this job might seem hellish...keep reminding yourself it's only temporary - eventually it will be completed.

Remember there are only two good jobs in this business:
The one you left and the one you're going to !
:D



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[sparky252]

Thanks Gentlemen!!! You support is really helpful.

I got a new gameplan today. I'll leave a daily update for today. Might be a showdown. I finally called someone I should of months ago. A smart, witty and wise just retired FM who had the pleasure of working for my contractor last year. I'm taking my prints, etc for a consultation.
I am determined.

[celtic]

I am determined.
....to either be fired or given the title of "Electrical God"?

:D

[sparky252]

....to either be fired or given the title of "Electrical God"?

:D

Thanks...I needed that.:) Not gone yet but it might be my last supper.

Hey, talked to the co-architect or engineer today (GC Rep dialed him up) and he said,, jokingly, that I "can tell him how to do his job". The GC Rep and I had a short heart to heart this am and he seems to be making changes. Now, I gotta get doing my job cause I am weeks behind.

[sparky252]

Update: Got laid off cause "General contractor doesn't want me there" BUT I don't think that is the real reason.

[Riograndeelectric]

Saprky, I am sorry to hear about the layoff,with all that you did to try and make the job work it is a dissapointment to hear you were layed off. I would confront your boss and demand to know the real reason you were layed off.
sounds like you spent a lot of your own time and energy to pull the job off. Goddluck. keep us posted on when you find a new job.

[growler]

Sparky252, they normally don't write "scape-goat" on termination papers. It may be Biblical but I doubt if it's legal. If you are in a " right to work state" then you can be terminated at any time for any reason.

[boater bill]

Keep your chin up. That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
Now that you have experienced the worst, the rest should be better for you.

Good luck

[JohnJ0906]

This could be for the best. Let us know how things work out, and good luck! It sounds like your old boss let go a knowledgable and conciencous person, and most companies would welcome you.:)

[sparky252]

Saprky, I am sorry to hear about the layoff,with all that you did to try and make the job work it is a dissapointment to hear you were layed off. I would confront your boss and demand to know the real reason you were layed off.
sounds like you spent a lot of your own time and energy to pull the job off. Goddluck. keep us posted on when you find a new job.

I know what the reason is and I was not surprized by the layoff.......I didn't want to be his girlfriend.

BTW, What's a good definition of "Red A$$"? I think I have been feeling that for awhile.

[mdshunk]

If the unemployment rate for electricians in your area is anything like my area, it will take you less than 24 hours to get another job offer. Best of luck to you...

[JohnJ0906]

I can't even post any comments to that. The only words I know to describe such a person would be deleted.

[celtic]

BTW, What's a good definition of "Red A$$"? I think I have been feeling that for awhile.
Take your pick:
http://www.unionrags.com/shirt6.GIF

Hurry before it's deleted ;)

[bigjohn67]

But you need to learn that politics are in every business place.
Always working by the books is not always good for business.
I think ya need to learn to compromise and charge for your services instead of shoving it in the GC face. If this keeps up it may be the last job you do for them.

Sounds like you are a young gun on your first job.

chill out and work to acheive the final goal.... a completed job.....

charge appropriate fee for your services and move on to get the job done.

Just my opinion...Friction with GC's causes unemployment. Be careful

Work with them to get the job done, you have nothing to prove......

[sparky252]

charge appropriate fee for your services and move on to get the job done.

Work with them to get the job done, you have nothing to prove......

What services?

[sparky252]

Celtic---Good T-shrt. I think I have seen it. I want one of those for christmas. I'll ask Santa.

[celtic]

Celtic---Good T-shrt. I think I have seen it. I want one of those for christmas. I'll ask Santa.
Santa has some friends over at www.unionrags.com (http://www.unionrags.com) ;)

http://www.unionrags.com/shirt23.GIF

[dennisk]

it can be done!! we are working on a 8 story hospital,with new kitch. area and all the other sys. that a hospital has and are dealing with a gc much as the same as yours. soon you will learn how to go over his head and get the answers you need. or you may be fined for finishing late??.good luck!!