How many people missed the boat?

[e57]

Does anyone know how many people failed to get certified before the deadline in California?

There are currently only ~30,000 jouney level electricians in our whole state.... Officially speaking.

[brian john]

I missed the deadline, but then I live in Washington DC and have only ever completed one job In CA and that was an electrical inspection in San Fran. So I am not worried!

[bkludecke]

My guess is about half or more. Since the law has no enforcement I'm not too concerned. This will take many years to straighten out I'm afraid.

[celtic]

Since the law has no enforcement I'm not too concerned.

Exactly.

What's the point in complying?

[kbsparky]

....What's the point in complying?

One reason would be to be able to take a case to court. If you wanted to sue someone for non-payment of your work, it helps to be correctly licensed.

In Delaware, for example, if you don't carry the proper business license, and someone sticks you for the job, you can't win in a civil case. There are a lot of "contractors" who have the electrical license, but fail to obtain the business license. You need both to be able to enforce collection.

While many would say they pick and choose with who(m) they deal with, thus avoiding such problems, there is always that first time... :mad:

[jameshot]

Now require you to have contractor resident /non resident status certificate, occupational licence for domiciled city you live in. before a licence is granted. If you have state licence you can automatically get issued a licence in any parish or town in the state with the two documents listed above.If you don't carry or have a state licence you would have to be tested in said parish /town per their requirements.

[celtic]

One reason would be to be able to take a case to court. If you wanted to sue someone for non-payment of your work, it helps to be correctly licensed.


It's my understanding of CA law that there is a licensing procedure for the FC credentials...the "certification" (C-10) is a different classification (more like employee)
Certification is required only for those persons who perform work as electricians for contractors licensed as Class C-10 electrical contractors (http://www.cslb.ca.gov/) under the Contractors' State License Board Rules and Regulations.
[ (http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/ECU_FAQ.htm#Who%20is%20required%20to%20be%20certif ied?)Electrician Certification program] (http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/ECU_FAQ.htm#Who%20is%20required%20to%20be%20certif ied?)

An EC, covered under seperate statute, would have the same legal remedies he always had.

[kbsparky]

I can hear some slick lawyer arguing that since the employees did not have the required certification(s), they don't have to pay for the work.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't agree with this line of thinking, its just that seems to be the way things are headed in the legal dept, these days ... :mad:

[bkludecke]

For the record: You need four years jman experience to qualify to take an exam and be a C-10 Licensed EC in CA (it's been that way for decades).

The new law is that in order to do electrical work as an EMPLOYEE of a licensed EC you must have served a 4 year apprenticship in an approved program then take a test to receive your certification card: otherwise you must be enrolled in an approved program and then you may only work with one-on-one supervision by a certified jman. I think.

[celtic]

I can hear some slick lawyer arguing that since the employees did not have the required certification(s), they don't have to pay for the work.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't agree with this line of thinking, its just that seems to be the way things are headed in the legal dept, these days ... :mad:

Anythings possible...you get enough lawyers together and someone's getting sued.

[e57]

For the record: You need four years jman experience to qualify to take an exam and be a C-10 Licensed EC in CA (it's been that way for decades).

The new law is that in order to do electrical work as an EMPLOYEE of a licensed EC you must have served a 4 year apprenticship in an approved program then take a test to receive your certification card: otherwise you must be enrolled in an approved program and then you may only work with one-on-one supervision by a certified jman. I think.

You are CORRECT! Sir! On both counts... But reading your post made me think of something... What will the CSLB now be looking for as far as experiance requirements? Do you now need to have a Journeyman card from the DAS to even apply? What if you have only a Residential Journeyman card, does there now need to be a C-10G, and C-10R, or A/B? Employers thought this wasn't gonna affect them they might be in for a surprise down the line splitting the classification...

[bkludecke]

You are CORRECT! Sir! On both counts... But reading your post made me think of something... What will the CSLB now be looking for as far as experiance requirements? Do you now need to have a Journeyman card from the DAS to even apply? What if you have only a Residential Journeyman card, does there now need to be a C-10G, and C-10R, or A/B? Employers thought this wasn't gonna affect them they might be in for a surprise down the line splitting the classification...
That's what I have thought from the beginning - that ultimately the experience requirement for the C-10 EC license would be the cert card, hold that for a couple of years and then just take the law & business exam to get the C-10 (kinda like WA state I think)

[bkludecke]

Anythings possible...you get enough lawyers together and someone's getting sued.
You get ONE lawyer together and someone's gettin' sued!

[Minuteman]

I can hear some slick lawyer arguing that since the employees did not have the required certification(s), they don't have to pay for the work.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't agree with this line of thinking, its just that seems to be the way things are headed in the legal dept, these days ... :mad:

KB, though that is one likely scenario, another possibility would be for liability insurance or workman's comp not to pay on any claim involving an "uncertified" worker.