MN requires registration of apprentices

[blue spark]

Wondering how many other states are doing this. According to MDLI, if the apprentice is not registered by 08, there time served there after does not count towards the jman required time.

[480sparky]

Iowa does.

[ITO]

Similar here, only its a state apprentice license.

[kkwong]

CA does as well

[brian john]

Just another method of getting money from those that can least afford it IMO. Washington DC requires also.

[iwire]

MA, CT and RI all do.

[cschmid]

Bule spark did I miss the memo...... I am glad they are requiring it. Yet it is more paper to employeer for state.

[danickstr]

WA requires a card to be carried, so yes.

[tkb]

MA, CT and RI all do.

MA only requires an apprentice to be registered if working on a State Prevailing Wage or Davis Bacon project.

CT and RI apprentices need to be registered just to work.
I believe NH also has this requirement.

[ptonsparky]

NE requires apprentices to be registered for hours to count toward advanced licenses.

[starbright28]

In case I don't pass my test this next time... where does is say that MN is requiring apprentices to be registered?

[wireman71]

If you don't register how can they keep track of hours for a journey card?

[starbright28]

I still like to know where it was heard or said about the registering of MN apprentices in the field.

In order to take the test for Journeyman or Master, you write down your employer and they have to verify it with the state.

I also checked the website www.electricity.state.mn.us (http://www.electricity.state.mn.us) and there is nothing anywhere in the news about MN going to have all apprentices required to be registered.

Can you name your source??

{Edit: added about checking the website}

[benmin]

Maine requires a helper to have a license.

[blue spark]

I still like to know where it was heard or said about the registering of MN apprentices in the field.

In order to take the test for Journeyman or Master, you write down your employer and they have to verify it with the state.

I also checked the website www.electricity.state.mn.us (http://www.electricity.state.mn.us) and there is nothing anywhere in the news about MN going to have all apprentices required to be registered.

Can you name your source??

{Edit: added about checking the website}
I received a Government Action Alert Memo from the MEA. The bulliten has not yet been posted on the DOLI site yet.

[cschmid]

Thats why I did not find it and I am not a member of the MEA.

[starbright28]

I went to the government website and yes indeed we are required to be registered.

however - can anyone tell me howe we are to register when they don't give out that information?

[Jljohnson]

Colorado requires registration. They also require a seperate registration to be completed each time the said apprentice changes employers. So, they must be registered AND must be registered to their current employer. Time not registered will not count toward your hours required for testing.

[DIRT27]

CA does as well

Is anyone enforcing this that you know of. We still have several guys not licenced or in school. I was told it was in a lot of job specs and almost all PW jobs, but I know of guys working PW with out a licence. It makes me feel like my licence is really doing a lot of good since no one is enforcing it.

[satcom]

Is anyone enforcing this that you know of. We still have several guys not licenced or in school. I was told it was in a lot of job specs and almost all PW jobs, but I know of guys working PW with out a licence. It makes me feel like my licence is really doing a lot of good since no one is enforcing it.

Years ago when our state first required licensing, enforcement was little or none, the way they improved enforcement was the area ECs and Contractor Associations Joined forces to Lobby for enforcement, if the contractors in your state do not get together and lobby the lawmakers, DON't expect anything to happen. Everyone has to take an intrest in the effort.

The way it sounds to me is, the EC's from your state have to get together.

[electricguy61]

Is anyone enforcing this that you know of. We still have several guys not licenced or in school. I was told it was in a lot of job specs and almost all PW jobs, but I know of guys working PW with out a licence. It makes me feel like my licence is really doing a lot of good since no one is enforcing it.

My understanding is that this is a law without any teeth.

That being said, I've been sending my apprentice to school for going on two years. I believe he's now eligible to take the residential journeyman's test. He'll continue on to get his full journeyman's license (3 more years).

He'll be a much better electrician then someone who pulls romex and bends conduit, but doesn't understand the code or the theory. I think it's well worth the money. And it's the law.

[starbright28]

I emailed the Department of Labor in regards to this and this is what the email said back:

Registration of unlicensed electricians becomes law on December 1, 2007 and is required on and after January 1, 2008. This will affect any person performing electrical work that is not exempt from licensing.

Information and applications will be mailed to all licensed electrical contractors, elevator contractors, technology system contractors, and registered employers of maintenance electricians in September. We hope to get the information in the mail no later than September 21, 2007.

I hope this helps.

Thank you,


Kevin Wilkins, Manager
CCLD Licensing Unit
Minnesota Department of Labor and Industry

Just thought I would pass the information along.

[brian john]

I had an apprentice (recently accepted into the program) bring me a form to day for his apprentice license. Now in my opinion I feel this should be free as these guys are the last that can afford another tax on their wages, but no the local jurisdiction wants to hit all workers for some extra cash. As part of the form there was a requirement for 3 people to sign confirming he was a sound person of good moral character. Now in our area they do not require this of licensed contractors, but the do of apprentices. Not that I do not want honest upstanding people, but any 3 folks can sign off on this, if the apprentice is dishonest he can sign for all 3.

[wamegojim]

Some municipalities in Kansas required it when I was there. Mississippi and North Carolina (where I am located now), don't require any licensing for the electrician. The licensing is only for contractors. Makes you wonder who is really qualified in those states.

[starbright28]

For those who do not know be aware!!! This affects all Minnesota Electrician Apprentices!! (for those with a lisence please pass the information on!)

You must register with the State of MN Department of Labor as an apprentice electrican by December 1, 2007.

The fee is $15.00 and you pay this fee each year for this license.

Go to the Department of Labor website to get the details.

(the link) http://www.doli.state.mn.us/licensing_unlicensed_registered.html

If you do not register - beware!! your hours will not count after Jan. 1, 2008

Exam Qualification. After January 1, 2008, work experience hours required to test for the Journeyman A exam, Elevator Constructor exam, Maintenance Electrician exam, and Power Limited Technician exam will only be accepted or recognized if earned while registered as an unlicensed individual. Verified hours worked before January 1, 2008 will continue to be recognized and accepted.

(Edit: added for Mn apprentices and those with lisence to pass info along)

[kkwong]

Is anyone enforcing this that you know of. We still have several guys not licenced or in school. I was told it was in a lot of job specs and almost all PW jobs, but I know of guys working PW with out a licence. It makes me feel like my licence is really doing a lot of good since no one is enforcing it.

Sorry about the late delay...Some areas inforce it others don't. I believe someone mentioned it was a law without teeth, I'll edit that to add it has baby teeth, though they're not too sharp and pointy. :) That said, I have heard rumors that there are areas in CA that are enforcing this with a passion...I guess it's all up to the GC. I know that there are companies who are "voluntarily" enforcing this "law" and enforcing the 1:1 (apprentice to journyman) ratio.