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frizbeedog
04-19-2008, 02:49 AM
Six months ago or so, I go to give an estimate for a simple bedroom remodel. 5 receps, 2 switches, 1 overhead light, 2 wall sconces, 2 smokies, dedicated circuit, AFCI....simple project, no problem.

Apparantly the problem was the price for the work....because they ended up hiring someone else. And that was the end of that.....or so I thought.

A couple of weeks ago I get a service call to fix some wiring that others had installed. Looking at the name on the work order, I say, I know that name from somewhere. When I pull up in front of the house I know for sure where I know that name from.

Homeowner starts to show me all the problems, as I offer my sympathy and frustration for their delima. She say's to me, the guy they hired was in the process of getting his liscence......Clue #1. She goes on to list all the problems which I confirm and sympathize with.

The guy would show up, work for a bit and then gone. Somedays not show up at all. She says he talked fast and worked slow. Then she lays the whammy on me...."We had to buy him tools to do the job." (clues #1, 2 & 3) There's me picking up my jaw off the floor. At that point I was stunned, and couldn't speak because I had yet to reset my jaw. Then she says, "We couldn't get him to come back and finish, and now he won't answer the phone." You don't say.

I say, "I can't fix this all today due to other scheduled work but will get you in as soon as I can."

She say's, "will the price be the same as before?"

I say, "No, I have to remove everything that has been installed and start over." Time and material now.

We got her rewired and inspected over two days with some additional work requested and ended up making more money than origianally contracted for.

We provided a letter to the customer documenting the violations found, along with State information about construction fraud for consumers, along with some pictures documenting the shoddy work. Permits and inspections were not perfomed for the original work, but that was no surprise.

Sad that this goes on and people fall for it. Happy that we could make it right. Last I heard from the customer was that the hack was giving the money back. But who's his next victim going to be?


This is one receptacle of the ten that he installed. They all looked like this, voltage readings all over the board.
The splice was found in the attic where he tied into an existing cicuit. Underneath the tape is the classic hook splice.
The switches could not be removed from the box due to the short as possible wiring method, and I don't know how he got them installed in the first place.
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Splice box in attic where I found the hook splice.
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And more technical prowess.
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No problem here
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A new splice and some demo'd wiring. The cut wire leaving the box was still live.
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Not a staple found anywhere, or smokies. He was confident his work would not start a fire I think.
......and so it goes.

LarryFine
04-19-2008, 03:23 AM
Unbelievable! :rolleyes:

Vinniem
04-19-2008, 06:47 AM
you get what you pay for

gra electric
04-19-2008, 07:42 AM
WOW, that is incredible. I thought I had seen some hack work, but that takes the cake!!

Gerry

ptonsparky
04-19-2008, 09:20 AM
I usually blame this type of work on DIYrs. I just hate to tell someone how badly they got took.

frizbeedog
04-19-2008, 09:23 AM
I usually blame this type of work on DIYrs. I just hate to tell someone how badly they got took.

Yup, He was a one call, do all, y'all. Liscencing and know how pending.

480sparky
04-19-2008, 09:25 AM
Hopefully, the person never got their license.

peter d
04-19-2008, 10:31 AM
Hopefully, the person never got their license.

Based on the level of workmanship displayed here I'd say that the "I'm in the process of getting my license" line is an outright lie and this hack has never worked in the electrical trade in their life.

Even a first year apprentice could do better work than this which leads me to believe this is some handyman and not an electrician at all.

bikeindy
04-19-2008, 10:41 AM
Hopefully, the person never got their license.

I don't think he could answer one question right. He might not get his name correct.

480sparky
04-19-2008, 10:51 AM
... and this hack has never worked in the electrical trade in their life.....

And, let us hope, never again.

mdshunk
04-19-2008, 10:54 AM
Does "in the process of getting a license" mean that a guy woke up that morning and thought that someday he'd like to get a license?

Those pictures are even more sad because they're so typical of what real electricians run across every day.

peter d
04-19-2008, 10:56 AM
Does "in the process of getting a license" mean that a guy woke up that morning and thought that someday he'd like to get a license?


Well, let's be fair here. He may have been talking about his hunting license, or gun license, or driver's license, or retail sales license.....

LawnGuyLandSparky
04-19-2008, 10:59 AM
Or, "I'm in the process of getting my license" and that process starts, day 1, hour 1... and here he is... in the process...

480sparky
04-19-2008, 11:19 AM
Well, let's be fair here. He may have been talking about his hunting license, or gun license, or driver's license, or retail sales license.....


Fishing license....

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/kaisersozei/Dynamite.jpg

:D :D

tmbrk
04-19-2008, 12:35 PM
The problem with lowballers is that they don't realise just how low they went until they are into the job. Then they cut corners like crazy. But what this guy did was criminal. The HOs got their money back but I would still suggest they call the local police. He was caught this time but what about the next unsuspecting customer?

electricalperson
04-19-2008, 12:49 PM
i love jobs like this. did the homeowner tell you she was in regret for not hiring you in the first placE?

Tiger Electrical
04-19-2008, 01:54 PM
I'm working on a similar project. I did a service change and generator install. The GC went with someone else for the addition including a kitchen. The project was abandoned (no GC, no EC) so I got the call to rewire. It takes a little longer to rewire when I have to stop every 10 minutes to shoot pictures.

Dave

480sparky
04-19-2008, 02:45 PM
...The HOs got their money back but I would still suggest they call the local police. He was caught this time but what about the next unsuspecting customer?

Is the AHJ aware of this person?

Oakey
04-19-2008, 02:52 PM
Wow thats really awful. Glad you straightened her out and it cost her more money :grin:

tonyou812
04-19-2008, 03:54 PM
thats got handy man written all over it.

electricalperson
04-19-2008, 04:08 PM
thats got handy man written all over it.
at least handymen make us work :grin:

big john
04-19-2008, 06:07 PM
Was the installer on drugs? I'm not even being facetious. That is some of the nastiest work I've ever seen anyone pay for.

I can't even tell what the heck is going on in that picture with the keyless light. I'm amazed the lamp is even glowing. It's amazing how badly stuff can be botched up and still work.

-John

boboelectric
04-19-2008, 09:13 PM
What's really sad is the size of the job didn't require that much material.Stuff that's on the back of my truck.

220/221
04-19-2008, 10:02 PM
Tecnically he was in the process of getting his license.

It is a lengthy process.


First he need tools.

Then he needs experience.

Then he needs some money.

Then he can take his test.

peter d
04-19-2008, 10:11 PM
Tecnically he was in the process of getting his license.

It is a lengthy process.

Yeah, he just jumped the gun a tiny bit by doing a job all on his own.

480sparky
04-19-2008, 10:18 PM
As my Granpappy used to say, "The stingiest person spends the most".

JohnJ0906
04-19-2008, 10:41 PM
As my Granpappy used to say, "The stingiest person spends the most".

Smart man, your grandpappy.

ishium 80439
04-19-2008, 11:33 PM
I think I just threw up a little. Certainly I've come across similiar situtations before but I wrote them off to home-owner specials. The fact that people are charging to do this work is disturbing. Let's hear it for camera phones.

LarryFine
04-20-2008, 12:26 AM
It takes a little longer to rewire when I have to stop every 10 minutes to shoot pictures.
. . . or contractors who abandon jobs to cut their losses.

Teaspoon
04-20-2008, 10:59 AM
We have all ran into situations like this. I like some others have stated.
usually chalk it up to Do-It-your-selfers. I think that the states should,
pass laws that any-one who performs Electrical work should have to be licensed. Here in our area a home-owner can wire his own house.
If the person knows how to do the work properly. Passing the Licenseing Exam should not be a problem.

3phasico
04-20-2008, 11:39 AM
Yup, He was a one call, do all, y'all. Liscencing and know how pending. the most wanted very fake electrical contractor. I would place his picture in amw.tv ,he need electrical (101) or just given him bob the builder movie ,best deal some times is best surprise. or R .I. P . you call yourself an electrician good job frizbeedog

mark32
04-20-2008, 05:31 PM
Sometimes I stay awake at night wondering if I had properly torqued a termination, or something similar, but this guy's work is a nightmare. I bet he sleeps well.

ptonsparky
04-20-2008, 07:05 PM
Sometimes I stay awake at night wondering if I had properly torqued a termination, or something similar, but this guy's work is a nightmare. I bet he sleeps well.

He probably does sleep well. He has no idea just how bad his work is.

frizbeedog
04-20-2008, 07:17 PM
He probably does sleep well. He has no idea just how bad his work is.

Qeustion: Can some of this be blamed on the home owner? After all, they let this guy into their house.

We all agree this is horrific, but what about the homeowner?

tmbrk
04-20-2008, 07:51 PM
Qeustion: Can some of this be blamed on the home owner? After all, they let this guy into their house.

We all agree this is horrific, but what about the homeowner?

Hopefully they've learned a lesson from it all.

frizbeedog
04-20-2008, 08:26 PM
Hopefully they've learned a lesson from it all.

I think they have, fellow dog.

Let the dog avatars take control. :grin: :grin: :grin:

Ed Carr
04-20-2008, 09:10 PM
I'm thinking the tools they bought him were a sledgehammer and a sixpack!