Pulling (4) 500kcmil XHHW conductors through 4" diameter 40 PVC conduit?

[rrc14]

How difficult would it be to pull (4) 500kcmil XHHW conductors through a 4" diameter Schedule 40 PVC conduit? The conduit run will have (2) wide 90 degree bends. Would pulling in (8) 250kcmil XHHW conductors in the 4" diameter schedule 40 PVC conduit be an easier task?

The OD of the 500kcmil XHHW conductor is just under 1-inch, and I'm thinking this is going to be really difficult to put through.

Any body here encounter a similar situation?

 

[quogueelectric]

How difficult would it be to pull (4) 500kcmil XHHW conductors through a 4" diameter Schedule 40 PVC conduit? The conduit run will have (2) wide 90 degree bends. Would pulling in (8) 250kcmil XHHW conductors in the 4" diameter schedule 40 PVC conduit be an easier task?

The OD of the 500kcmil XHHW conductor is just under 1-inch, and I'm thinking this is going to be really difficult to put through.

Any body here encounter a similar situation?

Dont be scared just pull them in.

 

[TOOL_5150]

are we talking 1 foot or 1000 feet?

~Matt

 

[iwire]

No EGC?

I assume these are service conductors and we would put 500s in 4" without a second thought.

I have put four 500s and EGC in 3" EMT quite a few times.

 

[emahler]

we are looking at a couple of pulls of 4-600's, 2-500's and a 2/0 in a 4" IMC...length of about 1400'....

code legal...just not positive how practical:grin:

 

[jrannis]

I just tried to pull a burned nest of 8 250s out of a 4" PVC. No luck.
I can't imagine why they would have done that unless the wire was free or something. The run is over 400' with two pull boxes.
I am going to replace it with 4- 500s. I can't think of one good reason to pull in 8- 250's you will have to derate them.
500 mcm fits very nice in a 4" and is a basic feeder size.

 

[jrannis]

No EGC?

I assume these are service conductors and we would put 500s in 4" without a second thought.

I have put four 500s and EGC in 3" EMT quite a few times.

We have an underground sub that thinks 3" is just perfect for 500s

 

[rrc14]

The conduit run is about 300' in length. The conduit goes 35' down from a pull box and then encounters a wide 90 degree bend and then runs about 225' and then encounters another wide 90 degree bend and turns up 35' to a pull box. The conduit is encased in concrete.

Thanks for the very interesting responses.

 

[iwire]

We have an underground sub that thinks 3" is just perfect for 500s

Here are four 500s and EGC in 3" EMT .... fits like a glove.

 

[texassparky]

4- 600's in 4" - no problem...

 

[LarryFine]

The OP should note that eight 250's don't have the ampacity of four 500's.

Don't you just love the new fall colors? :grin:

 

[texassparky]

What I love is there is no more mis-marking phases, but that is Simpull as well - no Lube nice and clean !! That is all we use now...

 

[texassparky]

They come in Nice patriotic colors as well !!!

 

[don_resqcapt19]

How difficult would it be to pull (4) 500kcmil XHHW conductors through a 4" diameter Schedule 40 PVC conduit? The conduit run will have (2) wide 90 degree bends. Would pulling in (8) 250kcmil XHHW conductors in the 4" diameter schedule 40 PVC conduit be an easier task?

The OD of the 500kcmil XHHW conductor is just under 1-inch, and I'm thinking this is going to be really difficult to put through.

Any body here encounter a similar situation?

Using 2' radius 90s and the run information in post #8, my pull calc software says the pulling force for the four 500s would be 1065 pounds and for the eight 250s it would be 1088.

 

[infinity]

They come in Nice patriotic colors as well !!!

I've never seen conduit run into the ventilated bottom of a transformer.

 

[texassparky]

I've never seen conduit run into the ventilated bottom of a transformer.

Well that was not the original intent either, but a little off here and little off there and thats where they wound up.

 

[tommy]

Is there anything wrong with coming up from the bottom?

 

[electricalperson]

make sure you use plenty of lube. more lube the better. and make sure you set the pull up right, use a puller and keep the wires in a nice bundle. if those wires twist in the conduit you will have a problem on your hands. MAKE SURE YOU USE A BUSHING ON THAT MALE ADAPTER!! ive seen a pvc male adapter strip XHHW insulation off down to the aluminum. you dont want that happening in the middle of the run. if its easier you can put a pulley above where you want to feed it in so all you have to do is just keep the wires nice.

have a few guys unrolling the wire off of the reels too

dont put any lube on the rope or else it will have a problem holding onto the tugger

this is a very large pull so just be careful doing it. duct tape works damn good on these kinds of pulls. i dont know what you are using to attach the wire to the rope. we have these things we call fingers that have an allen key that tighten down to the wire. we just ring it and remove a bunch of strans and stick it in the connector and tighten it down until it doesnt move then use plenty of tape

the planning is the biggest part of this. its probably easier to feed it into the transformer pad and pull from the tub if this is for a service

 

[texassparky]

As for - Code - none that I am aware of, but there is some school of thought that it restricts the ventilation, but even by coming into the side and then laying all the wire across the venting you are doing the same thing...IMO

 

[tommy]

I think it looks very good.