apartment counter outlet

[kentriolinda]

Recently I was rewiring A burned out 1 bed apt and the owner only wanted what was one kit ctr ckt installed in this small kit. I know that any kit is supposed to have two ctr circuts but is there an exception when total counter length is only 40" ?

 

[ActionDave]

210.52 = not fewer than two.
You can go on from the kitchen and hit the dining area. That way the owner can see several recepts on one of the required circuits.

 

[electricmanscott]

Why would you let the owner decide such things?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Recently I was rewiring A burned out 1 bed apt and the owner only wanted what was one kit ctr ckt installed in this small kit. I know that any kit is supposed to have two ctr circuts but is there an exception when total counter length is only 40" ?

There is no exception. But you can as others pointed out, extend the dining room circuit into the kitchen or put the refrigerator with one of the counter recep.

 

[ty]

or, put a double duplex. one circuit to each.

 

[kwired]

circuit is not limited to the counter only. other receptacles within the kitchen are allowed on the circuit - you may have small counter but probably have other receptacles in the room as well as others have mentioned dining room breakfast room etc although small apts not likely to have these additional rooms.

 

[ultramegabob]

So the customer has an apt. that has already been on fire once, and they want to go cheap on the cost of one kitchen counter circuit? Some people just dont have any common sense...... just explain to him that for liability reasons you have to wire the apt. to minimum NEC requirements, and that it is in his own interest and the safety of his tennants. Then give him the scenario of someone making coffee and running a crock pot or making waffles at the same time overloading the cirucuit. For some reason people think just because a living space is small, they can get away with cutting corners on everything, just because there may be only one bedroom doesnt change the fact that toasters, coffee makers, crock pots, electric griddles, and microwaves draw a lot of current....

 

[RICK NAPIER]

I had hotel rooms converted to efficiencies with the only kitchen counter 12" wide. We put a single 20 amp duplex on a double pole GFCI to cover the issue.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

Take a close look at 210.52(B)(3), the first sentence.

 

[jaylectricity]

Are the walls open? If not I don't think anybody can force you to fish two new circuits into the kitchen. That being said, if the counter space is 40", I would put a receptacle about a 12" away from each edge of the counter and put them on different circuits.

just explain to him that for liability reasons you have to wire the apt. to minimum NEC requirements, and that it is in his own interest and the safety of his tenants. Then give him the scenario of someone making coffee and running a crock pot or making waffles at the same time overloading the circuit.

So you use scare tactics to sell your jobs? Because if you install the proper size conductors with the proper overcurrent device, there shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Simply tell him that NEC requires 2 circuits. You are required to follow NEC. Then if he is listening at all tell him why. You have no options even if wall is finished.

 

[electricmanscott]

Are the walls open? If not I don't think anybody can force you to fish two new circuits into the kitchen. That being said, if the counter space is 40", I would put a receptacle about a 12" away from each edge of the counter and put them on different circuits.



So you use scare tactics to sell your jobs?.

I agree with the first part.

Second part..hell yeah! "Nice place you got here, be a shame if something should happen to it, you know what I'm sayin?"

 

[jaylectricity]

I agree with the first part.

Second part..hell yeah! "Nice place you got here, be a shame if something should happen to it, you know what I'm sayin?"

Accidents do happen, ya know? :grin:

 

[kentriolinda]

Thank you all for your suggestions they were most helpfull . I to like the scare tactics idea afterall Im shur he would not want to rebuild because of another fire.