Required outlets???

[Dustin Foelber]

Good morning
I have a project where the counter top space near the sink in the kitchen has about 3 feet on both sides where the window is to close to the splash to put an outlet. I can not find in 210 where it addresses this condition. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Dustin

 

[iwire]

Good morning
I have a project where the counter top space near the sink in the kitchen has about 3 feet on both sides where the window is to close to the splash to put an outlet. I can not find in 210 where it addresses this condition. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Dustin

You will have to find a spot for each side.

See 210.52

 

[shepelec]

I have seen outlets in the back splash.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I have seen outlets in the back splash.

This is what I have done. Another possibility would be the window sill recep.made by sillites.com. They make them TR also.

 

[electricmanscott]

You could also have the cabinet guys put in some dead fronts for you to mount the recpt in.

Bottom line is you have to get receptacles in there to comply with the NEC.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

You could also have the cabinet guys put in some dead fronts for you to mount the recpt in.

Bottom line is you have to get receptacles in there to comply with the NEC.

Scott do you mean on the front face of the cabinet?

 

[al hildenbrand]

I have seen outlets in the back splash.

So, when the "backsplash" is a 1.5" wide window trim, and, unlike my photo, the upper cabinets are more than 20" above the counter top. . . what then . . .



Edit to add: Ahh, the quickness of the Forum members. The answers are already coming.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

So, when the "backsplash" is a 1.5" wide window trim, and, unlike my photo, the upper cabinets are more than 20" above the counter top. . . what then . . .

You get this before the job is done and insist that they have to make provisions for an outlet

 

[electricmanscott]

Scott do you mean on the front face of the cabinet?

yep .......

 

[Dennis Alwon]

yep .......

I thought so. You better read 210.52(C)(5). You can only do it for an island or a peninsula. Most inspectors wont catch that.

 

[cowboyjwc]

This is one of those time where as an inspector you really have to put your foot down and say "I don't care what the designer or homeowner wants."

 

[shepelec]

Show them a tomb stone as an alternative, they'll make provisions then

I actually had one guy cut the outlet into the counter top, facing up. I'm not sure how he thought that would work.:roll:

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I actually had one guy cut the outlet into the counter top, facing up. I'm not sure how he thought that would work.:roll:

That is a violation of 406.4(E)

 

[shepelec]

That is a violation of 406.4(E)

It sure was and the builder wasn't too impressed either. I don't do it too often but for that bit of stupidity I felt a re-inspection fee was in order.

 

[wasasparky]

:grinlugmold!

 

[al hildenbrand]

:grin:

:grinlugmold!

:grin:

And glue it to the glass!

 

[electricmanscott]

I thought so. You better read 210.52(C)(5). You can only do it for an island or a peninsula. Most inspectors wont catch that.

I'm not to worried about that. If the choice is in the cabinet or in the window I think the answer is clear.

 

[1793]

This is what I have done. Another possibility would be the window sill recep.made by sillites.com. They make them TR also.

I installed my first one today. It was just the right device for my application and I can see where I will have more calls for this type of receptacle.

 

[jwjrw]

This is one of those time where as an inspector you really have to put your foot down and say "I don't care what the designer or homeowner wants."

Then you really cant build it no matter how big he check is .

 

[Dennis Alwon]

:grin::grin:

And glue it to the glass!

I think the sill recep. is the perfect answer for your situation. I had to use 2 of them on a house that had that same issue. Popped 2 of them in and Voila.