Determining P.U. Impedance and X/R from Transformer % Impedence Value

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mull982

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If we are given a transformer with a nominal kVA rating and a % impedance, how do we then use this information to come up with the P.U. impedance, as well as X, and R values for use in short circuit calculations?

Do we only need to know the voltage ratings, nominal kVA rating, and % impedance value of the transformer to come up with the desired values?
 

Hameedulla-Ekhlas

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If we are given a transformer with a nominal kVA rating and a % impedance, how do we then use this information to come up with the P.U. impedance, as well as X, and R values for use in short circuit calculations?

Do we only need to know the voltage ratings, nominal kVA rating, and % impedance value of the transformer to come up with the desired values?

I am not familair with P.U impedance to analysis your question. Can you make it clear.
 

jghrist

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If we are given a transformer with a nominal kVA rating and a % impedance, how do we then use this information to come up with the P.U. impedance, as well as X, and R values for use in short circuit calculations?

Do we only need to know the voltage ratings, nominal kVA rating, and % impedance value of the transformer to come up with the desired values?

Per unit impedance is % impedance divided by 100. 8% = 0.08 pu

You need to have the load loss of the transformer to determine the R value. R in per unit is full-load loss divided by the transformer rating. X = sqrt(Z? - R?).
 

Hameedulla-Ekhlas

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If we are given a transformer with a nominal kVA rating and a % impedance, how do we then use this information to come up with the P.U. impedance, as well as X, and R values for use in short circuit calculations?

Do we only need to know the voltage ratings, nominal kVA rating, and % impedance value of the transformer to come up with the desired values?

You had written p.u with capslock so I could understood. anyway please click the below link.

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Besoeker

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If we are given a transformer with a nominal kVA rating and a % impedance, how do we then use this information to come up with the P.U. impedance, as well as X, and R values for use in short circuit calculations?

Do we only need to know the voltage ratings, nominal kVA rating, and % impedance value of the transformer to come up with the desired values?
You can get just the Z, not the X and the R without further data.
 

kingpb

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The impedance, in per unit of the transformer, unless stated otherwise, is determined on it's own base. So if, Z = 8%, the per unit impedance is 0.08 pu. It is acceptable to display it as a percentage or as per unit (p.u.)

If the transformer base rating is say 1250 KVA and 480V, then the impedance of the transformer in ohms would be:

Zbase = (Vbase)^2/KVA
Zbase = 480^2/1250KVA
Zbase = 0.184 ohms

Zxmfr = Zpu x Zbase
Zxfmr = 0.08 x 0.184 ohms
Zxfmr = 0.01475 ohms

The maximum available short circuit current of the transformer i.e. through the transformer is:

KVAsc = KVAxfmr/Zpu
KVAsc = 1250KVA/0.08
KVAsc = 15,625 KVA

then;

Isc = KVAsc/(Vll*sqrt 3)
Isc = 15,625KVA/(480*sqrt 3)
Isc = 18.8kA

You can also just take the Irated and divide by the Zpu, it will give you the same result.

Unfortunately, without either the components of Z, i.e. X and R, or the X/R ratio, you cannot get the actual values. However, you can use a couple approximations. The first is by looking in IEEE Std 141 (Red Book) Chapter 6 that has a graph of typical X/R ratios of transformers based on IEEE C37.010.
From the graph, a typical 1250KVA transformer has an X/R of approx. 7. This is a unitless number.

With this you can determine the X and R components of Z as follows:

|Z| = (|X|^2 + |R|^2) ^0.5

substituting;

|Z| = (|7R|^2 + |R|^2) ^0.5
|Z| = (49R^2 + R^2) ^ 0.5

Solving for R in pu:

|R| = 0.011pu or approx. 1.1%

Therefore Xpu = 0.0792 pu

From observation you can see that the r component of the impedance is very small in comparison to X and in lieu of having the X/R chart, the second way of getting the X and R components is you can very closely approximate the X and R components of Z by using the fact that R is typically around 1%.

This will hold true for most preliminary calcs. Once actual equipment is bought and testing and nameplate data is available, it is always a good idea to go back and check your calcs for validation.
 

charlie b

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In more basic terms, to use the per unit system, you need to establish base values for voltage, resistance, current, and power. It is common practice to select the base voltage as the primary side voltage of the main transformer in the system, and to select the base power value as the KVA rating of that transformer. But this is a mere convenience, not a necessity. If you know any two of the base values, you can calculate the base value of the other two. Kingpb has already provided some of the relationships.

So in your original question, knowing the KVA rating is not enough. You also need to select a base voltage value.
 
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