can a pop rivet be used to attach ground?

[wireguru]

Can a pop rivet be used to attach a grounding conductor (12awg stranded with a ring terminal on it) to a metal enclosure?

 

[yanici]

Is this riveted ground wire part of a UL approved factory assembly?

 

[iwire]

Is this riveted ground wire part of a UL approved factory assembly?

That is the key right there.

The factory can do that, we cannot.

 

[tom baker]

Its commonly used in signs,per the UL Standard. But other than an UL listed application, for field termination, no.

 

[esobocinski]

Factory assemblies can't use pop-rivets either. If you look carefully at a factory riveted ground, you'll see that it's either steel or brass, and uses impact assembly instead of a "pop" pin. Pop-rivets are too soft to be considered reliable connectors. They're also generally aluminum, so you couldn't count on good electrical connectivity unless you gooped them with anti-ox.

 

[iwire]

Factory assemblies can't use pop-rivets either. If you look carefully at a factory riveted ground, you'll see that it's either steel or brass, and uses impact assembly instead of a "pop" pin. Pop-rivets are too soft to be considered reliable connectors. They're also generally aluminum, so you couldn't count on good electrical connectivity unless you gooped them with anti-ox.

I have seen plenty of standard pop rivets on HVAC equipment, do you have a source for your information?

There is also no requirement to use anti-ox.

 

[esobocinski]

Nope. In fact, I'm an idiot for seeing that some blind rivets are unsuitable for ground attachment and thinking that all are. Lots of non-aluminum options, and lots of options that are hard/stiff enough not to loosen when stressed. Ignore what I said as only half-right and generally wrong.

While trying to find more info, it was interesting to find that the EU has much clearer public standards for whether a blind rivet can be used for equipment grounding.

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