680.23(b)(2)

[guschash]

680.23(B)(2) states "conduit shall be installed from the forming shell to a junction box or other enclosure conforming to the requirements in 680.24. Now without typing the whole thing out says 680.24(A)(1)(1) says be equipped with threaded entries or hubs or a nonmetallic hub. Well I did two pool that the cord was long enough that I could take it all the way back where where the pool light transformer was located. So instead of placing a junction box and having to spice I just took the cord to the transformer box and use a plastic sealite fitting. The cord was in PVC from the wet-niche and I just transition from PVC to sealite. Well one inspector failed it stating 680.24 and the other inspector passed the other job. Which is it? Do we need a junction box or not.

gus

 

[cpal]

does your installation comply with the provisions of 680.24(B)??

 

[Dennis Alwon]

If these lights are to the forming shell then what did you do with the bond wire. You need the jb to terminate the #8 bond.

 

[augie47]

To me the key is in the wording "listed". In 680.24 the j box, if used must be listed for the purpose, and a transformer, if used, must be listed and labeled for the purpose. After that the Code lists the construction specifications of each.
I have seen few low voltage light installations but on the ones I have seem the transformer did not meet the construction specs to allow the j box to be eliminated.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Okay so now I read the article . I always thought a #8 was required but I see if metal pipe is used it is not. Furthermore if you have a transformer that meets the req. of 680.24 then a JB is not necessary even with non-metallic conduit.

And now that I read Gus' post I have to agree with him. :grin:

 

[elohr46]

680.23(B)(2) states "conduit shall be installed from the forming shell to a junction box or other enclosure conforming to the requirements in 680.24. Now without typing the whole thing out says 680.24(A)(1)(1) says be equipped with threaded entries or hubs or a nonmetallic hub. Well I did two pool that the cord was long enough that I could take it all the way back where where the pool light transformer was located. So instead of placing a junction box and having to spice I just took the cord to the transformer box and use a plastic sealite fitting. The cord was in PVC from the wet-niche and I just transition from PVC to sealite. Well one inspector failed it stating 680.24 and the other inspector passed the other job. Which is it? Do we need a junction box or not.

gus

I would say that your transformer enclosure has to fit the criteria of 680.24(B)(1) to pass inspection.

 

[guschash]

All pool equipment is listed. Bonding was all approved. If using low voltage pool light you don't need insulated #8 on inside of wet-niche. At my IAEI meeting I brought this same quetion up and there was some confusion on this same issue. I will being it up again at this month meeting because I am confused as do I or do I not need a J box. My interpretation on reading 680.24 is you do but two different inspectors interpreted differently.

 

[augie47]

Does the low voltae transformer meet the construction specification on 680.24(B)(1) ??

 

[WinZip]

In a pool junction box you have a clamp that clamps down on the light cord an #8 so that when relamping someone doesn't pull the cord down inside the conduit , I don't know if this is in his transformer but you should do something to clamp the cord in place.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

In a pool junction box you have a clamp that clamps down on the light cord an #8 so that when relamping someone doesn't pull the cord down inside the conduit , I don't know if this is in his transformer but you should do something to clamp the cord in place.

As mentioned earlier in art. 680.23(B)(1) last sentence & 680.23(B)(2)(B) first sentence, does not require a #8 for listed low voltage systems.

 

[wiredoc]

Construction specs

Construction specs

680.24(A)(1)(1)clearly requires threaded entries or a nonmetallic hub.It doesn't sound like you have met these.Is there any strain relief?It sounds like one of your inspectors was in a hurry or preoccupied.EVERYONE makes mistakes!

 

[WinZip]

Rather than the word clamp it should have said Strain Relief.

Sorry