Would You or Wouldn't You

[resistance]

Code would allow the omission, but I'd discuss it with the customer, and strongly suggest including it unless they object for some reason.

There are plenty of appliances, such as toasters, that will easily fit within an 11" space.

I second this

 

[CallMeJC]

I voted "Yes". Not required but it makes sense.

 

[360Youth]

Maybe whoever roughed it in was not aware of the 12" c'top rule. Or the cabinet design got changed a but.

I roughed it, and yes, I knew it would be under 12". But I think it would look very poor on my part, especially on a custom, to not provide one for the customer. Dennis makes a good point, if it was a repetitive issue on a set of track houses. I would draw the line, potentially, at that point.

 

[ptonsparky]

To all those who say they would 'automatically' install it........ are you doing the bidding? Is it your own company?

Yes, Yes.. and I would expect the same from my help.

 

[donaldelectrician]

Yes , the NEC is least you can do.....but would xpect a tip , since its my idea !

 

[220/221]

Absolutely.


To leave it out would be.....well.......stupid.



OK....fess up. Who are the two no votes ?

Unless the job was being done on very tight margins I would just put one there.

If the magins are that tight, you won't be around for the trim out

 

[acrwc10]

Why wouldn't you ? would be a better Poll.

 

[jaylectricity]

I voted yes, but I would ask the customer first. I would give them a dollar amount to add it on, and if they wanted it I'd give it to them. If they asked my opinion, I would tell them to spring for it. Most likely less than $50 to add it on.

 

[hurk27]

OK....fess up. Who are the two no votes ?

just click on the "2" in the votes box, its an open poll

but I belive there should have been a third choice since both could have been the answer we would chose?
slection of answer two does not make answer one wrong as it is correct.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

No question about it you should offer it and highly suggest it. However there will be a charge unless it was on the print. There is never too many and that spot would be great for coffee maker.

 

[kwired]

To all those who say they would 'automatically' install it........ are you doing the bidding? Is it your own company?

A missing but required receptacle costs more than multiple additional but not required receptacles (usually).

 

[tortuga]

the possibility of having to add one on Final would make me lean toward just placing one there

++ agreed, could be no access on the final.

 

[480sparky]

A missing but required receptacle costs more than multiple additional but not required receptacles (usually).

True, but installing one that is not required means you're bidding in a already tight market, and every unnecessary bit of material and every minute of unnecessary labor works against you.

 

[360Youth]

just click on the "2" in the votes box, its an open poll

but I belive there should have been a third choice since both could have been the answer we would chose?
slection of answer two does not make answer one wrong as it is correct.

I tried to think of a third alternative, but there really is only two choices...would you or wouldn't. It is clear that the receptacle is not required, but would you include it anyway. I guess a third option could have been, at what charge, if any. We did not charge for it. One more inch of counter and I would have had to put it there at no extra charge. Had this been other than a kitchen circumstances change, IMO.

 

[480sparky]

..but I belive there should have been a third choice since both could have been the answer we would chose?........

I would have done more than that.

No
Yes
Yes, if requested (& paid) to do so.
No, but only in a spec home
Yes, but only in a custom
Yes, if it was my home
Yes, because I didn't bid it
Yes, because I don't have any prints to go by
Yes, since I want to CMA for inspections

et al.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Better question is why NEC does not require it. Even if it is as small as 2 inches it might have a use. Phone charger, mixer near range, etc. NEC is about safety and if it is not available and wanted then we see extention cords. But is no reason to give it away free. Perhaps if it is not on the print your bidding offer it as a bonus to try and be the winner.

 

[hurk27]

Better question is why NEC does not require it. Even if it is as small as 2 inches it might have a use. Phone charger, mixer near range, etc. NEC is about safety and if it is not available and wanted then we see extention cords. But is no reason to give it away free. Perhaps if it is not on the print your bidding offer it as a bonus to try and be the winner.

What code cycle was it that changed it to 12" I think it used to be 9" "99"?

 

[mcclary's electrical]

Better question is why NEC does not require it. Even if it is as small as 2 inches it might have a use. Phone charger, mixer near range, etc. NEC is about safety and if it is not available and wanted then we see extention cords. But is no reason to give it away free. Perhaps if it is not on the print your bidding offer it as a bonus to try and be the winner.

Yeah............................... A 2" filler strip needs a recpetacle




Get real

 

[480sparky]

What code cycle was it that changed it to 12" I think it used to be 9" "99"?

The 12" requirement was started in the '71......... as 12" [210-22(b) if anyone wants to look it up].

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Yeah............................... A 2" filler strip needs a recpetacle




Get real

2 inches is plenty for the phone. And handy to plug into for hand held mixer. I am real just not being cheap