20 amp branch circuits

[iwire]

It doesn't look like a receptacle is an outlet. A receptacle is installed at an outlet.



But then when you look at "outlet", it is not as clear.

IMO When deciding what an outlet is to the NEC the definition that matters is the definition of outlet and to me that is clear.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

IMO When deciding what an outlet is to the NEC the definition that matters is the definition of outlet and to me that is clear.

But per the NEC defintion of receptacle, it is not an outlet.

 

[Little Bill]

But per the NEC defintion of receptacle, it is not an outlet.

That was my point. If you have a lighting outlet with a light connected to it, then feed another light off of it, does that make it two outlets?

In the OP's situation and in 240.4(B) a multioutlet would be more than one outlet. Since a receptacle (single or duplex) is connected to an (singular) outlet, it is not a multioutlet circuit.

 

[ActionDave]

That was my point. If you have a lighting outlet with a light connected to it, then feed another light off of it, does that make it two outlets?

In the OP's situation and in 240.4(B) a multioutlet would be more than one outlet. Since a receptacle (single or duplex) is connected to an (singular) outlet, it is not a multioutlet circuit.

That's the way I see it too.

 

[Gac66610]

That was my point. If you have a lighting outlet with a light connected to it, then feed another light off of it, does that make it two outlets?

In the OP's situation and in 240.4(B) a multioutlet would be more than one outlet. Since a receptacle (single or duplex) is connected to an (singular) outlet, it is not a multioutlet circuit.

since you're saying its a single outlet then he would also need to be sure he uses a 20a rated receptacle, just like we use for a microwave circuit

which I for one do not. i was always told that if you can plug more than one cord into a receptacle it was a multi outlet, so i can use a 15a rated receptacle on a 20a dedicated circuit

maybe i missed something:?

 

[Little Bill]

since you're saying its a single outlet then he would also need to be sure he uses a 20a rated receptacle, just like we use for a microwave circuit

which I for one do not. i was always told that if you can plug more than one cord into a receptacle it was a multi outlet, so i can use a 15a rated receptacle on a 20a dedicated circuit

maybe i missed something:?

I think you are mixing the terms "outlet" and "receptacle"

Receptacle. A receptacle is a contact device installed at the
outlet for the connection of an attachment plug. A single
receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact
device on the same yoke. A multiple receptacle is two or
more contact devices on the same yoke.

 

[Dbronx]

Thanks again guys,

Thanks for clearing up the terms outlet and receptacle.

 

[iwire]

But per the NEC defintion of receptacle, it is not an outlet.

And per the NEC definition of of outlet a receptacle is an outlet.

I also disagree that the definition of receptacle precludes a receptacle from being an outlet.

 

[iwire]

That was my point. If you have a lighting outlet with a light connected to it, then feed another light off of it, does that make it two outlets?

In my opinion yes.

Per the definition of outlet each lamp socket (or ballast input connection) is a point that supplies utilization equipment.

Utilization Equipment. Equipment that utilizes electric
energy for electronic, electromechanical, chemical, heating,
lighting, or similar purposes.

 

[iwire]

What is the NEC talking about here?

210.14
(H) Fixed Multioutlet Assemblies. Fixed multioutlet assemblies
used in other than dwelling units or the guest
rooms or guest suites of hotels or motels shall be calculated
in accordance with (H)(1) or (H)(2). For the purposes of
this section, the calculation shall be permitted to be based
on the portion that contains receptacle outlets.

(1) Where appliances are unlikely to be used simultaneously,
each 1.5 m (5 ft) or fraction thereof of each
separate and continuous length shall be considered as
one outlet of not less than 180 volt-amperes.

(2) Where appliances are likely to be used simultaneously,
each 300 mm (1 ft) or fraction thereof shall be considered
as an outlet of not less than 180 volt-amperes.

In my opinion they are talking about things like this ..

 

[don_resqcapt19]

And per the NEC definition of of outlet a receptacle is an outlet.

I also disagree that the definition of receptacle precludes a receptacle from being an outlet.

In my opinion the receptacle is a device installed at the outlet and it is not an outlet.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

What is the NEC talking about here?



In my opinion they are talking about things like this ..

I agree that is what they are talking about, but it wouldn't be the first time a code rule has not used the correct terms as defined in Article 100.

 

[Little Bill]

In my opinion the receptacle is a device installed at the outlet and it is not an outlet.

:thumbsup:

 

[Sharpie]

Back to the 30 CCCs in 2": isn't there something about load diversification (not everything will be running at full capacity all the time). I can't remember where I saw it but I thought that if it was under engineering and AHJ supervision, you could claim that not all loads will be running at any give moment.:?

 

[iwire]

but it wouldn't be the first time a code rule has not used the correct terms as defined in Article 100.

I don't see the mistake, what was the outlet moves to the receptacle once it is installed.

The box with a a branch circuit was the outlet, install the receptacle into that box and the receptacle becomes the outlet.

 

[Little Bill]

I don't see the mistake, what was the outlet moves to the receptacle once it is installed.

The box with a a branch circuit was the outlet, install the receptacle into that box and the receptacle becomes the outlet.

The receptacle is still a device.