AC and MC cable color code

[north star]

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Whether or not the AHJ, ...an inspector or the contractor believes
the manufacturer requirements to be silly or non-sense is a mute point.
The manufacturer' requirements precede & overrule code....Article
110.3(B) is exceptionally clear [ " ...shall be installed and used in
accordance with any instructions included in the listing or lableing" ].

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[kwired]

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Whether or not the AHJ, ...an inspector or the contractor believes
the manufacturer requirements to be silly or non-sense is a mute point.
The manufacturer' requirements precede & overrule code....Article
110.3(B) is exceptionally clear [ " ...shall be installed and used in
accordance with any instructions included in the listing or lableing"].

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I think most of us agree that it is clearly a violation of 110.3(B). We think the fact that they decided to print such instructions is what is nonsense, and would like to know what the reasoning for such instructions is.

 

[north star]

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"I think most of us agree that it is clearly a violation of 110.3(B).....We think the fact that
they decided to print such instructions is what is nonsense, and would like to know what the
reasoning for such instructions is"

Agreed !

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[brother]

Apparently there are others that have the same restrictions, check them out.

http://www.kaf-tech.com/pdf/MC-TUFF_IG.pdf

 

[rbalex]

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Whether or not the AHJ, ...an inspector or the contractor believes
the manufacturer requirements to be silly or non-sense is a mute point.
The manufacturer' requirements precede & overrule code....Article
110.3(B) is exceptionally clear [ " ...shall be installed and used in
accordance with any instructions included in the listing or lableing"].

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The question I would have is whether this particular "instruction" is included with any field installation instructions. So far, all I've seen is a rather LARGE sales brochure which I doubt is included with every minimum installation package which is the actual UL requirement.

 

[kwired]

The question I would have is whether this particular "instruction" is included with any field installation instructions. So far, all I've seen is a rather LARGE sales brochure which I doubt is included with every minimum installation package which is the actual UL requirement.

I was thinking about mentioning something about whether or not such instructions are actually part of listing or if it is just additional commentary somehow.

 

[rbalex]

From the UL White Book 2012 Category Code AALZ:

INSTRUCTIONS AND PRODUCT MARKINGS
These products are intended to be installed in accordance with the installation instructions provided with the product. It is critical that the cautionary statements and installation and operating instructions on the product and in accompanying literature be followed.[Underlines mine]

Category Code AALZ is cross referenced by virtually every other Category Code.

 

[kwired]

From the UL White Book 2012 Category Code AALZ:

Category Code AALZ is cross referenced by virtually every other Category Code.

Is the "product installation guide and catalog" the OP linked to in post #1 the "official instructions" that go with the listing?

 

[rbalex]

Is the "product installation guide and catalog" the OP linked to in post #1 the "official instructions" that go with the listing?

Possibly, as long as it is provided with and accompanies every field delivery of the product. I just doubt it.

 

[infinity]

Is this a Southwire product?

See what happens when you post at 4am. :ashamed1:

 

[kwired]

Possibly, as long as it is provided with and accompanies every field delivery of the product. I just doubt it.

I have a similar manual that I received from a supplier one time, probably has been updated by now, but I don't get one with every reel of cable I order. Usually just a tag attached to the cable that seldom gets read.

 

[ggunn]

Remember the colors are custom, not NEC rule. If there is only one voltage in the building, you can use any or all colors for it. Different colors are only needed if there are two voltages (120/208 & 277/480 for instance).

To point out the obvious: even though the NEC doesn't require it, your AHJ may have a color coding standard that you must adhere to.

 

[John120/240]

If you have a single voltage system in the building you can use Brown, Black, Red, Orange, Yellow, Blue, and Violet for any hot wire, you do not have to re-identify them. In the same way you can use white or gray for neutrals.

If you have multiple voltage systems in the building you need to identify the two (or more?) systems by voltage usually using insulation colors and post the scheme at panelboards.

To point out the obvious: even though the NEC doesn't require it, your AHJ may have a color coding standard that you must adhere to.

I would be real surprised if the AHJ has written these color requirements in to their local codes. Sounds more like the shirt pocket rules in my opinion

 

[don_resqcapt19]

I think most of us agree that it is clearly a violation of 110.3(B). We think the fact that they decided to print such instructions is what is nonsense, and would like to know what the reasoning for such instructions is.

In my opinion, the only 110.3(B) instructions are those that are an actual part of the listing. The rest are just manufacturer recommendations.
For example, the Halo light fixture instructions that specifies the use of tools made by companies in the Cooper family....when I brought this up to UL at a meeting, they said you have to use some common sense.

Their published statements are very clear that all instructions from the manufacturer are 110.3(B), so how do you know when to apply the "common sense"????

 

[jumper]

Their published statements are very clear that all instructions from the manufacturer are 110.3(B), so how do you know when to apply the "common sense"????

Excellent point.

 

[kwired]

In my opinion, the only 110.3(B) instructions are those that are an actual part of the listing. The rest are just manufacturer recommendations.
For example, the Halo light fixture instructions that specifies the use of tools made by companies in the Cooper family....when I brought this up to UL at a meeting, they said you have to use some common sense.

Their published statements are very clear that all instructions from the manufacturer are 110.3(B), so how do you know when to apply the "common sense"????

How do you know what common sense the inspector will apply? How does an inspector know if all the instructions were followed unless he was there to witness it?

 

[north star]

:thumbsup:

" ...so how do you know when to apply the "common sense"????

IMO, ...when by not applying it, could get you seriously injured or killed!

:thumbsup:

 

[don_resqcapt19]

How do you know what common sense the inspector will apply? How does an inspector know if all the instructions were followed unless he was there to witness it?

My real point is that the only 110.3(B) instructions are those that are an actual part of the listing process...anything else is just the manufacturer's wish list.
Yes, I am well aware that UL insists that all provided instructions are 110.3(B), but I just don't agree with them and I don't see where they are the authority to interpret the NEC.

 

[jumper]

Email update from AFC:

Hello Derek,

This phrase was left in the pocket instructions in error and should be removed. The instructions on the product identification tags are correct. We will be removing this sentence from future versions of this guide.

If you have additional questions, please let me know.

Thank you,

Lindsay Lyons

Marketing Specialist

AFC Cable Systems

 

[kwired]

Email update from AFC:

I bet it took more than just your inquiry to make any decision to remove that language.