dhambone
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Kitchen flat top peninsula with sink
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dhambone
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Doesn't 210-52 (c) 2 NEC 2008 say that because the overhang behind the sink is over 12" the sink is not dividing the peninsula?
Not a seperate space
Not a seperate space
It looks to me from your picture that the depth of the countertop behind the sink is more than 12 inches. I see you are on the 2008 code cycle but I would beleive the added language in the 2011 that states if the coutertop depth is LESS than 12 inches it is considered a seperate space would help in determining the intent of the code.
So in short it is not a seperate space therefore only 210.52(C)(3) applies and one outlet within 6 inches of the countertop,per 21052(C)(5), on the end as shown on your plan is sufficent.
An interesting discussion would be if the countertop depth behind the sink in this case was less than 12 inches would you be required to install a second outlet to the left of the sink. Also just in general when does Exception to (5)
2) apply?
Not a seperate space
It looks to me from your picture that the depth of the countertop behind the sink is more than 12 inches. I see you are on the 2008 code cycle but I would beleive the added language in the 2011 that states if the coutertop depth is LESS than 12 inches it is considered a seperate space would help in determining the intent of the code.
So in short it is not a seperate space therefore only 210.52(C)(3) applies and one outlet within 6 inches of the countertop,per 21052(C)(5), on the end as shown on your plan is sufficent.
An interesting discussion would be if the countertop depth behind the sink in this case was less than 12 inches would you be required to install a second outlet to the left of the sink. Also just in general when does Exception to (5)
2) apply?
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Only the one outlet is required if the overhang was less than 12" then the one on the wall would satisfy the code along with the one to the right of the sink
dhambone
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Thanks for the replies! That's what I thought.
mwm1752
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Dennis, which left side wall one would satisfy & why?
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There are two receptacles on the left side of the peninsula (i.e., left side of sink, as viewed from the island in the kitchen). OK, so they are on the other side of the peninsula from the kitchen. But that does not mean they cannot be counted as being the required "at least one" receptacle. I believe this scenario would require the overhang (i.e., into the other room) to be six inches or less, but we are only guessing about the dimensions of this layout.
mwm1752
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Being dimensional with the standard 2' cabinet base the over hang is clearly in excess of 6".
GatorTJ
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Not a peninsula?
Not a peninsula?
The local inspector claims that because this has a framed knee wall behind the cabinets , even though it is below the flat counter top, that this doesn't fall under the peninsula rules and must follow the 2' - 4' spacing, requiring us to install receptacles in the face of the cabinet.
Not a peninsula?
The local inspector claims that because this has a framed knee wall behind the cabinets , even though it is below the flat counter top, that this doesn't fall under the peninsula rules and must follow the 2' - 4' spacing, requiring us to install receptacles in the face of the cabinet.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
IMO the inspector is incorrect
Rick Christopherson
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I am not commenting with any regard to code requirements, but solely as someone that spends a lot of time in the kitchen, and also a former cabinetmaker.
That portion of the peninsula to the left of the sink will be a very valuable food preparation area. I would speak with the home owner (and especially the cabinetmaker) to see if they would like to have at least one receptacle on the kitchen-side of the penisula. I would also see if they want a 4-gang box at the corner of the drywall in the lower-middle of the picture.
If this were my kitchen, I would want those receptacles.
That portion of the peninsula to the left of the sink will be a very valuable food preparation area. I would speak with the home owner (and especially the cabinetmaker) to see if they would like to have at least one receptacle on the kitchen-side of the penisula. I would also see if they want a 4-gang box at the corner of the drywall in the lower-middle of the picture.
If this were my kitchen, I would want those receptacles.
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