no switch within sight for condensate pump

[PowerLimited]

Would there be any wiggle room in the code to have a condensate pump itself, that is a condensate pump associated with air conditioning equipment, NOT having a disconnect/switch within sight of the condensate pump (only switch would be out-of-sight circuit breaker ? ( in other words...except for the condensate pump, which has no disconnect/switch within sight, the air conditioning equipment otherwise has a disconnect within sight. When the disconnect, within sight, for the air conditioning equpment is shut off, the condensate pump stays hot. ).

 

[iwire]

Is the pump cord and plug connected?

 

[PowerLimited]

Is the pump cord and plug connected?

No, cond. pump not cord and plug connected. Is wired directly. No switch. No plug. Condensate pump is on same branch circuit as air conditioning equipment, but condensate pump is not on any disconnect/switch.

 

[kwired]

No, cond. pump not cord and plug connected. Is wired directly. No switch. No plug. Condensate pump is on same branch circuit as air conditioning equipment, but condensate pump is not on any disconnect/switch.

Next question is did someone cut the cord cap off and direct wire the cord?

I won't say there is no pumps of this type designed to be direct wired, but I have never seen one.

Is it on load side of disconnect for the air conditioning equipment?

What is overcurrent protection level supplying this air conditioning equipment that this pump is also a part of same circuit?

 

[PowerLimited]

Next question is did someone cut the cord cap off and direct wire the cord?

Thanks for responses.
That appears not to be the case, i.e., not a cut-off cord situation.

Is it on load side of disconnect for the air conditioning equipment?

Not on load side.

 

[kwired]

430.109(B) permits the branch circuit overcurrent device to be the disconnecting means for motors not over 1/8 hp, which is likely the case with your condensate pump.

But the next question is what size fuse or breaker is the branch circuit overcurrent device and is the condensate permitted to be installed on the circuit without additional overcurrent protection?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I agree with kwired. My suspicion is this pump is not more than 1/8 HP

 

[Gregg Harris]

422.12 Central Heating Equipment. Central heating equipment other than fixed electric space-heating equipment shall be supplied by an individual branch circuit.

Exception No. 1: Auxiliary equipment, such as a pump, valve, humidifier, or electrostatic air cleaner directly associated with the heating equipment, shall be permitted to be connected to the same branch circuit.

Exception No. 2: Permanently connected air-conditioning equipment shall be permitted to be connected to the same branch circuit.

 

[cowboyjwc]

Here agian, worring about the little things, but I'll bet that pump sits right in the return air plenum.

 

[Cavie]

Next question. What voltage is the pump?? I've seen many DA a/c guys install 110 volt pumps and say it's ok.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

422.12 Central Heating Equipment. Central heating equipment other than fixed electric space-heating equipment shall be supplied by an individual branch circuit.

Exception No. 1: Auxiliary equipment, such as a pump, valve, humidifier, or electrostatic air cleaner directly associated with the heating equipment, shall be permitted to be connected to the same branch circuit.

Exception No. 2: Permanently connected air-conditioning equipment shall be permitted to be connected to the same branch circuit.

Gregg what does this have to do with the op's question? Sure you can use the same circuit if the unit is gas but when you have a 10kw unit with a condensate pump we usually run a 120v wire to the pump from another circuit. The question is whether it needs a disco

 

[kwired]

Next question. What voltage is the pump?? I've seen many DA a/c guys install 110 volt pumps and say it's ok.

It is ok unless there is no grounded conductor. OP never mentioned what the voltage or amp rating was for this unit.

Gregg what does this have to do with the op's question? Sure you can use the same circuit if the unit is gas but when you have a 10kw unit with a condensate pump we usually run a 120v wire to the pump from another circuit. The question is whether it needs a disco

Again, OP never mentioned voltage or amp rating of the unit. If it is 240 volts and a 120 volt pump is used you still may be able to use the circuit feeding the unit if you have a neutral there, and very likely should at least have supplemental overcurrent protection for this pump.

 

[Gregg Harris]

Gregg what does this have to do with the op's question? Sure you can use the same circuit if the unit is gas but when you have a 10kw unit with a condensate pump we usually run a 120v wire to the pump from another circuit. The question is whether it needs a disco

This could be an electric furnace used for both heating and cooling or a straight AC data unit that specifies "accessory use" where the condensate pump is in the wiring diagrahm and listed as part of the unit.