I'm looking to see if someone can point me to where in the NEC or Mass amendments where it states an electrical permit is required to do electrical work. Thanks for all help
I'm looking to see if someone can point me to where in the NEC or Mass amendments where it states an electrical permit is required to do electrical work. Thanks for all help
No person shall install for hire any electrical wiring or fixtures subject to this section without first or within five days after commencing the work giving notice to the inspector of wires appointed pursuant to the provisions of section thirty-two of chapter one hundred and sixty-six. Said notice shall be given by mailing or delivering a permit application form prepared by the board, to said inspector. Any person failing to give such notice shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars. This section shall be enforced by the inspector of wires within his jurisdiction and the state examiners of electricians.
Any person installing for hire electrical wiring or fixtures subject to this section shall notify the inspector of wires in writing upon the completion of the work. The inspector of wires shall, within five days of such notification, give written notice of his approval or disapproval of said work. A notice of disapproval shall contain specifications of the part of the work disapproved, together with a reference to the rule or regulation of the board of fire prevention regulations which has been violated.
Here is part of MGL Chapter 143 Section 3L
So does that mean a homeowner in MA is allowed to do his own electrical work without pulling a permit, since he's not "installing for hire"? Or is that just covered by a different section of the MGL? I don't need a reference or anything; it's just idle curiosity on my part.Here is part of MGL Chapter 143 Section 3L
No person shall install for hire any electrical wiring or fixtures subject to this section without first or within five days after commencing the work giving notice to the inspector of wires appointed pursuant to the provisions of section thirty-two of chapter one hundred and sixty-six. Said notice shall be given by mailing or delivering a permit application form prepared by the board, to said inspector. Any person failing to give such notice shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars. This section shall be enforced by the inspector of wires within his jurisdiction and the state examiners of electricians.
Any person installing for hire electrical wiring or fixtures subject to this section shall notify the inspector of wires in writing upon the completion of the work. The inspector of wires shall, within five days of such notification, give written notice of his approval or disapproval of said work. A notice of disapproval shall contain specifications of the part of the work disapproved, together with a reference to the rule or regulation of the board of fire prevention regulations which has been violated.
So does that mean a homeowner in MA is allowed to do his own electrical work without pulling a permit, since he's not "installing for hire"? Or is that just covered by a different section of the MGL? I don't need a reference or anything; it's just idle curiosity on my part.
So does that mean a homeowner in MA is allowed to do his own electrical work without pulling a permit, since he's not "installing for hire"? Or is that just covered by a different section of the MGL? I don't need a reference or anything; it's just idle curiosity on my part.
So does that mean a homeowner in MA is allowed to do his own electrical work without pulling a permit, since he's not "installing for hire"? .
Yes it does. From my last code refresher course they mentioned that people are trying to take out those words "for hire" from the law but it never goes through and the law remains the same.
Said homeowner may also be liable for loss of life or property damage from electrical work done on his property...hire licensed contractors for protection.
But it is not done for free if he pays you with steaks and beerTechnically I don't have to pull a permit to put in some lights for my uncle for free, but it would look awfully suspicious. Not sure where the burden of proof is on that.
I have no problem allowing HO's to do their own work, I think they have a constitutional right to do so. But why should they be exempt from permits or inspections? I could go another direction that may derail this in a political direction by asking if permits or inspections violate our constitutional rights regardless of who does what. I think everyone could have a valid reason to challenge that when in a situation where permits are required - and I am talking more than just electrical installation permits, but at same time anyone that has given it much thought probably figures it is not worth fighting it either, then comes insurance and other industries that start rejecting coverage or services if you don't meet certain standards - which is kind of where these codes originate from more so than governing bodies.Thankfully the state is using some commonsense. HOs should be able to work on their own homes
But why should they be exempt from permits or inspections?
Well for one thing even if they were required they would not happen.
Well for one thing even if they were required they would not happen.
In NJ they are and they do.
Are you really trying to say homeowners are pulling all the permits they should? :lol:
Yep, that's life out here in the land of fun & sun. My experience is that most homeowners will pull permits for anything major, even if they're doing it themselves. Little things like adding a light or two, or a separate circuit for a vent hood/microwave maybe, a lot of people won't pull a permit for -- basically, stuff for which they're really unlikely to ever get caught. I'm sure it varies from one area to the next, though (and from one person to the next, for that matter).down in Calif They do not use the NEC per se they adopt NEC make changes and call it CA electric code. The CA electric code has provisions for administration, permts and enforcement.
All, no, not by a long shot. However, homeowners have been nailed for doing work without permits/inspections, usually when they go to sell. Buyers sometimes ask about additions and will go to the town to see if the work got a final inspection. Some AHJ's just have no sense of humor and make folks pony up the permit fees AND hammer open dry wall to inspect electrical and/or plumbing work.
I agree, that's usually how it happens; during a sale. I have also seen the walls ripped open to verify, needless to say it drove the cost of the sale price down considerably.