websparky
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Here is a typical new home panel I see for service inspections. The panel is not complete yet but this will give you an idea of the type of workmanship that is the "norm" by most contractors here.
Pro Panel Install
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pierre
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- Westchester County, New York
Re: Pro Panel Install
Are the GECs choked as they enter the panel?
Otherwise this is a very nice installation!!!
[ November 10, 2005, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
Are the GECs choked as they enter the panel?
Otherwise this is a very nice installation!!!
[ November 10, 2005, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
pierre
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- Westchester County, New York
Re: Pro Panel Install
I noticed the GECs are solid, I have seen this done in Long Island.
I noticed the GECs are solid, I have seen this done in Long Island.
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Pro Panel Install
Very nice work
and when an inspector sees this he does not need to look near as hard at the rest of the job.
Hold on a minute.3RD breaker up on left,is that master bed room ? arci ?
[ November 10, 2005, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
Very nice work
and when an inspector sees this he does not need to look near as hard at the rest of the job. Hold on a minute.3RD breaker up on left,is that master bed room ? arci ?
[ November 10, 2005, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
Re: Pro Panel Install
If I may, I would like to take advantage of this picture being posted to ask a question. Note the connection bewteen the groundED and groundING bar. The "link" between these bars is dependant on the coppr bonding strap and the green screw that fastenes the strap to the can on top of the
strap (screw is barley visible behind the black wires), If this is a service panel, as it seems to be since the n/g are bonded, there is nothing in the installtion instructions with the panel to prohibit groundED conductors being terminated on the left side bar. I have a problem when I see grounded conductors, especially larger ones, being terminated on the left as the current path includes the 10/24 bond screw mentioned above.
Anyone have any comments on this ??
If I may, I would like to take advantage of this picture being posted to ask a question. Note the connection bewteen the groundED and groundING bar. The "link" between these bars is dependant on the coppr bonding strap and the green screw that fastenes the strap to the can on top of the
strap (screw is barley visible behind the black wires), If this is a service panel, as it seems to be since the n/g are bonded, there is nothing in the installtion instructions with the panel to prohibit groundED conductors being terminated on the left side bar. I have a problem when I see grounded conductors, especially larger ones, being terminated on the left as the current path includes the 10/24 bond screw mentioned above.
Anyone have any comments on this ??
jeff43222
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- Minneapolis, Minnesota
Re: Pro Panel Install
I'm wondering whether it's standard practice to connect the GECs to one bar and the grounded conductors to the other bar. Since the bars are connected it doesn't matter, but I'm still curious. I usually keep the GECs and grounded conductors from each circuit near each other and put them under alternating lugs. That way, there is less crossing from one side of the panel to the other (i.e., the wires entering on one side stay on that side).
Otherwise, I'd say this panel looks strikingly similar to ones I've wired, except that I don't use CH, and I usually put the grounding prong on the bottom when I mount receptacles.
[ November 10, 2005, 08:59 PM: Message edited by: jeff43222 ]
I'm wondering whether it's standard practice to connect the GECs to one bar and the grounded conductors to the other bar. Since the bars are connected it doesn't matter, but I'm still curious. I usually keep the GECs and grounded conductors from each circuit near each other and put them under alternating lugs. That way, there is less crossing from one side of the panel to the other (i.e., the wires entering on one side stay on that side).
Otherwise, I'd say this panel looks strikingly similar to ones I've wired, except that I don't use CH, and I usually put the grounding prong on the bottom when I mount receptacles.
[ November 10, 2005, 08:59 PM: Message edited by: jeff43222 ]
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
Re: Pro Panel Install
How would you do that? Don't tell me that you would use a romex connector.
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
Re: Pro Panel Install
How did I know Jim would be the ready to nit pick.
MBR might mean master bath.
Augie, what is it that bothers you about the practice you describe?
[ November 10, 2005, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
How did I know Jim would be the ready to nit pick.
MBR might mean master bath.
Augie, what is it that bothers you about the practice you describe?
[ November 10, 2005, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
Re: Pro Panel Install
Uh oh.
You guys figure it out.
[ November 10, 2005, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
Uh oh.
You guys figure it out.
[ November 10, 2005, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Pro Panel Install
Think real hard should that strap ever burn up or have bad connection.Do you now want to seperate them ? I had it happen years ago on an ITE.I seperate unless flat out of spaces.
Think real hard should that strap ever burn up or have bad connection.Do you now want to seperate them ? I had it happen years ago on an ITE.I seperate unless flat out of spaces.
pierre
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- Westchester County, New York
Re: Pro Panel Install
Augie
I know there are many manufacturers, and I have not seen them all, but the ones I have seen have the strap tac welded to the enclosure. The screw is there so the strap can be removed if this is a subpanel.
The manufacturer tests this equipment this way for the potential current that may flow and it passes - so I see no problem here.
Augie
I know there are many manufacturers, and I have not seen them all, but the ones I have seen have the strap tac welded to the enclosure. The screw is there so the strap can be removed if this is a subpanel.
The manufacturer tests this equipment this way for the potential current that may flow and it passes - so I see no problem here.
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Pro Panel Install
Will admit that it's unlikely since i see 3 gfci breakers.And that's my 10 in 1 so give it back
Will admit that it's unlikely since i see 3 gfci breakers.And that's my 10 in 1 so give it back
PlnOldRick
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Re: Pro Panel Install
master bath receptacleOriginally posted by jimwalker:
Very nice work
Hold on a minute.3RD breaker up on left,is that master bed room ? arci ?
esox39
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- Chicago, IL
Re: Pro Panel Install
Hey, is that GFCI to the right of the panel upside down?
Hey, is that GFCI to the right of the panel upside down?
mdshunk
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- Right here.
Re: Pro Panel Install
That's the same panel I normally install. I hate to see guys hogging up the big neutral bar holes for the GEC's, since they are accomodated in one of the regular, smaller holes. The next guy that does a 100 amp subfeed from that panel will be cursing you.
Oh, and by the way, that's my 10 in 1 I left lay there.
That's the same panel I normally install. I hate to see guys hogging up the big neutral bar holes for the GEC's, since they are accomodated in one of the regular, smaller holes. The next guy that does a 100 amp subfeed from that panel will be cursing you.
Oh, and by the way, that's my 10 in 1 I left lay there.
allenwayne
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Re: Pro Panel Install
Install looks pretty good,But is that an unused Nm connector top left side of the panel? Also the 10 in 1 is mine,how do I now.It has my middle name on it klien
Install looks pretty good,But is that an unused Nm connector top left side of the panel?
Also the 10 in 1 is mine,how do I now.It has my middle name on it klien jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Pro Panel Install
I prefer to leave an empty space between them afci to stop them from overheating.Think this was brought up a while back.Also shows how easily one could mis label a panel.MBR= master bed room or master bath receptacle,master bath room,or even Mikes bed room.
Thanks for returning my 10 in 1.
I prefer to leave an empty space between them afci to stop them from overheating.Think this was brought up a while back.Also shows how easily one could mis label a panel.MBR= master bed room or master bath receptacle,master bath room,or even Mikes bed room.
Thanks for returning my 10 in 1.
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