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  1. No neutral necessary unless the manufacture...

    No neutral necessary unless the manufacture requires it.
    You will need to pull the neutral in the breaker panel like you said.

    Can you place the GFCI in the panel feeding the spa panel
  2. I like your thinking. The demand load is for...

    I like your thinking. The demand load is for minimum design. I build like to build for the worst case. Problems always happen during the holidays. I can see a holiday cook feast exceeding 40 amps at...
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    That pretty much does away with AFCI receptacle...

    That pretty much does away with AFCI receptacle use in most cases.
    So what do we do here in California where the 2017 NEC won't be adopted until 2020 or so.
    The state is currently creating the...
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    I was wondering when somebody was going to say...

    I was wondering when somebody was going to say something.
    I'm sure it is new to Tom.



    Tom is this wood lath and plaster vs Button board and plaster?
    If wood I would not use a sawzall as it...
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    That sounds ideal and will look better. Do you...

    That sounds ideal and will look better.
    Do you ever get the carpenters out after siding to do this.
    I have had many a customer wait to order lights well after siding is up.
    Light shows up with...
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    So if a prefab medallion is not acceptable, what...

    So if a prefab medallion is not acceptable, what is?
    Do you make your own? How do you deal with lap siding and provide a level flat space for the fixture?
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    Oh and how does this really clarify things?...

    Oh and how does this really clarify things?
    210.12(B says to install afci where circuit is modified,

    So then what is the purpose of 406.4(D)?

    406.4(D) is specifically targeted at a...
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    Interesting that the CMP places words or intent...

    Interesting that the CMP places words or intent the commenter and author of the proposal did not write.
    And secondly adding a section and exemption to the code that directly conflicts with another...
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    They make medallions for the purpose. allows for...

    They make medallions for the purpose. allows for a flat space for your fixture.
  10. Then it really comes down to how many units you...

    Then it really comes down to how many units you can have on that property.
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    That should not have caused the lights to go out.

    That should not have caused the lights to go out.
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    Not surprising that a store clerk would claim all...

    Not surprising that a store clerk would claim all the lights went out at the same time. Probably some were out and no one noticed until all were out.
    I tell the clerk to date the lamps so you know...
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    They burned out.

    They burned out.
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    Intent is not code but generally used in how to...

    Intent is not code but generally used in how to interpret the code



    Because you are not touching a outlet during a panel change. The code is referring to changing of outlets. Just as we have...
  15. Employees don't get licensed, the get certified....

    Employees don't get licensed, the get certified. They cannot contract nor pull permits accept as a authorized agent of the company.
    A person who is licensed and the qualifier of another company is...
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    Depends on where the opening is and what type of...

    Depends on where the opening is and what type of enclosure/cabinet /junction box.

    If not required to be weather tight then a simple reducing washer is all that is needed. Being that you say...
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    well put it this way. I started to carry them on...

    well put it this way. I started to carry them on the truck a while back just in case I had a service call for replacing a AFCI.

    I got a service call a few months back. I got chased of the...
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    I would think that in most States a contractors...

    I would think that in most States a contractors license says you shall work as per code regardless if inspected.
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    Sounds like the CMP has spoken. The original...

    Sounds like the CMP has spoken. The original intent may not have been to allow an exception. We will see.
    I never thought your theory was the intent.
    IMHO
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    and I was not talking about that exception to the...

    and I was not talking about that exception to the code. that does not appear to 2014.
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    Al so how do we deal with code 406.4(D)(4) in the...

    Al so how do we deal with code 406.4(D)(4) in the 2011 code where is states:
    (4) Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection. Where a
    receptacle outlet is supplied by a branch circuit that requires...
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    And what might you be referring to.

    And what might you be referring to.
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    This is what is so wrong with what has been...

    This is what is so wrong with what has been codified. If you touch a lowsey receptacle where afci is required by the current code.





    The words of the code say replace a receptacle then yes...
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    Either way sounds like a fortune to install and...

    Either way sounds like a fortune to install and run.
    If you have Natural Gas the hydronic system may be the way to go.
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    I suppose it depends on the code version this...

    I suppose it depends on the code version this falls under.
    Under the 2011 code you must install afci for replacements. but that does not include kitchen or bath until 2014.
    I don't know how you...
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