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    Smart, if I have one conductor leaving A,...

    Smart, if I have one conductor leaving A, connected to a load and returning to A, the voltage the load sees is zero. Your analogy isn't making sense to me.
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    That makes sense. Thanks!

    That makes sense. Thanks!
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    That makes no sense. I would have a one-wire...

    That makes no sense. I would have a one-wire "circuit". :huh:
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    I still don't get it. If I hookup a three phase...

    I still don't get it. If I hookup a three phase load to a delta system, it behaves as a three phase load because it's a three phase source. If the B phase is part of the source, electrons will want...
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    Oh, the stupid - it hurts, it hurts so bad... ...

    Oh, the stupid - it hurts, it hurts so bad...

    Good proposal rejected.
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    Let me explain: when teaching why the neutral is...

    Let me explain: when teaching why the neutral is a CCC in a wye system when only two phases of a three phase system are employed, I have a fancy (yet simplistic) animation drawn up that shows half...
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    While I concur that this is true as far as code...

    While I concur that this is true as far as code is concerned, I must confess I am having a hard time understanding why the neutral is not a CCC in a delta system. :blink:
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    Poll: The chief electrical inspector for the state of...

    The chief electrical inspector for the state of WY is a regular here, perhaps he will chime in. :)

    With the way it is written, I wouldn't fight it myself.
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    On that note, it's good to avoid the Chinese...

    On that note, it's good to avoid the Chinese knockoffs, Relay in a Bag. I am never trying that again.
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    It's hard to read; forum updates have obliterated...

    It's hard to read; forum updates have obliterated formatting, smileys, and blocks of text. :(

    Still fun to look back on, though - I remember being really wrapped up in it. :)
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    I didn't mention that I won. :ohmy::lol: ...

    I didn't mention that I won. :ohmy::lol:



    If it didn't take 45 minutes, three beers and four cigarettes to find it, I might go looking. Summary?
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    I hear you. It doesn't help matters that the code...

    I hear you. It doesn't help matters that the code has changed principles over the last 20 years. It used to be implied that a grounding electrode was a grounding electrode as long as the electrical...
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    I am now. You quoted the whole thing. ;) ...

    I am now. You quoted the whole thing. ;)



    Not so; look at 250.53(C) and 250.64(F)(1). Bonding jumpers that directly connect electrodes - true electrodes, not their accessories - together do not...
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    KWired, I understand where you are coming from -...

    KWired, I understand where you are coming from - but the situation that prompted the "band-aid" in the DIY thread was explicitly about finding a code-compliant way around a problem, not a best...
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    Smart, the entire reason 250.68(C) was added to...

    Smart, the entire reason 250.68(C) was added to the code book was to introduce allowances for connecting GECs and GEBJs to items not listed in 250.52. Historically we have almost always connected to...
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    I have copied posts from a closed thread (DIY)...

    I have copied posts from a closed thread (DIY) for the purposes of discussing aspects of Article 250. I apologize in advance for any confusion this may present, but I figured this was the easiest way...
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    There is no prohibition from using a #6 CU to a...

    There is no prohibition from using a #6 CU to a ground rod terminating it in it's own acorn (as shown), and then connecting a #4 from a Ufer to the rod with it's own acorn. We have not heard the...
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    There is no prohibition from using a #6 CU to a...

    There is no prohibition from using a #6 CU to a ground rod terminating it in it's own acorn (as shown), and then connecting a #4 from a Ufer to the rod with it's own acorn. We have not heard the...
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    Bonding jumpers can connect grounding electrodes...

    Bonding jumpers can connect grounding electrodes themselves, 250.68(C) is covering items that are not grounding electrodes. A ground rod is a grounding electrode. See 250.64(F)(1).
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    Bonding jumpers can connect grounding electrodes...

    Bonding jumpers can connect grounding electrodes themselves, 250.68(C) is covering items that are not grounding electrodes. A ground rod is a grounding electrode. See 250.64(F)(1).
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    I can't tell you because I can't see the end of...

    I can't tell you because I can't see the end of the conductor, and we are rather squeamish about suggesting a homeowner open the door and show us. Shock hazards, arc hazards, etc. It looks fine so...
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    Red: Wrong. Green: right.

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    Red: Wrong. Green: right.
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    ...and likely costs more than a ground rod and...

    ...and likely costs more than a ground rod and two acorns. "Best" would depend on the criteria.



    Can you substantiate this "main electrode" concept you're putting forward, and cite the code...
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    Continuiousity.

    Continuiousity.
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    That would depend on the local jurisdiction, no?...

    That would depend on the local jurisdiction, no? I am always interested in seeing a legal mechanism that requires more than the code requires because an engineer graced the scene with his or her...
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