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    Poll: :thumbsup: ...and certainly not neutral...

    :thumbsup:

    ...and certainly not neutral current.
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    Poll: I believe your reply exemplifies the root of our...

    I believe your reply exemplifies the root of our disagreement. There is no MBJ, grounded, or grounding conductor involved in a discussion about neutral current.

    Until we agree on other more basic...
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    Poll: :thumbsdown: You know darn well the NEC...

    :thumbsdown:


    You know darn well the NEC does not consider reactive or magnetic coupling as a means of grounding.
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    Poll: You can look at it that way... but IMO, and quite...

    You can look at it that way... but IMO, and quite likely many others (but I'll let them speak for themselves), you are wrong.

    First lets describe the normal system current... originates at an NEC...
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    I think whoever told you that is misinterpreting...

    I think whoever told you that is misinterpreting the requirement for parallel conductors to be of the same length.
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    Poll: Actually it is... You both remember previous...

    Actually it is...

    You both remember previous discussion regarding objectionable current and "reading between the lines" of my post. If you recount earlier discussions in their entirety, you'd...
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    If you are responding to a particular post, it...

    If you are responding to a particular post, it would help if you either quote the post (that's what the "Reply with Quote" button or the "+ button for multiple quotes are for), or direct it to the...
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    The only problem, if you can even call it that,...

    The only problem, if you can even call it that, is the NEC has no prescribed method for determining conductor ampacity within an enclosure. It is easier to understand and correlate with NEC...
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    You didn't state any measurements... so can't...

    You didn't state any measurements... so can't tell from here. :p

    Usual remedy for panel depth issues Charlie mentioned is to space out the panel with lesser depth (most often done with strut).
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    I agree. It only mentions 3% on feeders or...

    I agree. It only mentions 3% on feeders or branch circuits. People misinterpret it as a recommendation of 2% on feeders, thinking 5% total minus 3% for branch circuits... but quite often branch...
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    No minimum height requirement No clearance...

    No minimum height requirement

    No clearance left or right as long as working space in front is as wide as the enclosure or 30", whichever is greater, and panel door or hinged panel, if any, can...
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    Poll: First, with no Code definition for objectionable...

    First, with no Code definition for objectionable current, how can you really classify it as such? It comes down to a matter of opinion... and I'll give you that.

    Anyway, I'm referring to this:
    ...
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    Poll: I believe it is required. 250.6(B) general...

    I believe it is required. 250.6(B) general statement, in effect, states alterations cannot defeat the requirements of 250.4(A)(5) and (B)(4).



    That picture is a demonstration of neutral...
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    Poll: Geeesh, Bob. I essentially said the same thing...

    Geeesh, Bob. I essentially said the same thing you did... just a bit more wordy. :roll:
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    Poll: I agree... but as witnessed here, there are those...

    I agree... but as witnessed here, there are those that believe neutral current through the GES and supply-side bonding is intended. It is a consequence of grounded systems and bonding, but it is not...
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    Stating the system has a neutral, we have to...

    Stating the system has a neutral, we have to assume it is a grounded system. On the POCO side of the service disconnecting means (SDM), all exposed, non-conducting metallic parts are bonded to the...
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    I don't know from first hand experience, but...

    I don't know from first hand experience, but according to the American Electrician's Handbook, generator windings were connected as 3-, 4-, or 5- wire. Three-wire configuration had two windings at...
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    Not for the GEC connection to the grounded...

    Not for the GEC connection to the grounded conductor. As I [vaguely?] pointed out earlier, you cannot land a GEC on an equipment grounding bus (EGB) connected to the enclosure solely by screw and...
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    I know... but the section I quoted states...

    I know... but the section I quoted states enclosures, too. A kenny clamp is for GEC metallic enclosure entries and exits... though the latter is atypical of most installations.
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    I don't see an exception to this section. ...

    I don't see an exception to this section.

    However, many believe where the GEC is effectively bonded to the enclosure when connected in the panel to the GC/GCB/EGB. In the case of GEC connection...
  21. I agree. Perhaps inspector is thinking the...

    I agree.

    Perhaps inspector is thinking the rods are jumpered... or GEC is a loop.

    @bilbuz53
    Were acorns completely visible, top and bottom, during inspection?
  22. Inaccessible is often (but not always) an excuse...

    Inaccessible is often (but not always) an excuse for inconvenient. :happyyes:

    I have to wonder what the circumstances are. Digging down to the water line on the outside could possibly be the...
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    Poll: As Wayne (hurk27) said, I believe you are...

    As Wayne (hurk27) said, I believe you are confusing GES with EGS... but not just that. I think you are further confusing contingent with intended. The whole grounding system is intended to mitigate...
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    And if those rules do not permit the distance you...

    And if those rules do not permit the distance you have to the panels, you can get around that by installing fused disconnects, or MCCB's in an enclosure, within the specified distance.
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    IIRC, wiremold has an EMT to channel transition...

    IIRC, wiremold has an EMT to channel transition fitting. I'd shepherd's hook a 90 on the end of the EMT and notch the 2x against the block wall so there's as little EMT visible as possible after...
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