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I inspected a home that is in violation of 300.4. Some dottie plates were missing on wood studs that had a portion of the drywall removed and were within the 1 1/4 "
The remodeling contractor wants to send a letter to the homeowner and HOA
informing them not to use nails or screws in the drywall to hang pictures...etc. I am not sure if it would surffice
 
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wouldn't suffice here.
Is this a deal where the sheetrock went on prior to there being an inspection and then "test" areas were checked ?
 
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I would accept a letter, if the letter said; " No one shall move into this house as long as the violation of 300.4 has not been performed."


If letters such as posted earlier were accepted, we might as well burn all the NECs in this country. ;)
 
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So should they remove all of the sheetrock in the entire house so that someone can inspect every hole? IMO they should install the nail plates where the 300.4 violations are visible and move on.
 
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So should they remove all of the sheetrock in the entire house so that someone can inspect every hole? IMO they should install the nail plates where the 300.4 violations are visible and move on.
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happened here more than once.
SOP here requires: (a) a licensed contractor accept responsibility
(b) In the inspectors presence a minimum of 4 areas are opened. If any of the four shows violation, all covered wiring must be exposed.
 
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enough to see if 300.4 has been addressed. Normally the sheet rock over the panel (if a any) and then a few areas where multiple runs might be present (multi-gang switches, etc). We try to pick areas where the rock can be removed in non-habital areas (closets, etc) to minimize damage.
I'd estimated 2/3 of the jobs end up with complete removal. As a rule, if you didn't know to call for a Rough-In, you didn't know the Code requirements.
If we find nail plates, stack-its, correct drilling,etc. in the test areas, then we depend on the E/C to megger or run what tests he fees necessary to accept responsibility.
Over the years, I have been amazed at what is uncoverd on these jobs (open splices, damaged cables, etc)
 
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augie47 said:
happened here more than once.
SOP here requires: (a) a licensed contractor accept responsibility
(b) In the inspectors presence a minimum of 4 areas are opened. If any of the four shows violation, all covered wiring must be exposed.
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Let's say for argument's sake that the OP was in TN, and that after opening 4 areas more violations are found - at that point, are you saying that the majority of the inside of the home would have to be gutted to be reinspected and wiring/code deficiences corrected? If so, who would eat that cost: the HO, the original EC, the inspector that passed work in violation (if the original electrical work was ever inspected), some combination of the three?

I've seen a few jobs where the GC got ahead of inspections and installed insulation and sometimes drywall. In most cases it all wound up on the floor, and the GC ate it.
 
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augie47 said:
enough to see if 300.4 has been addressed. Normally the sheet rock over the panel (if a any) and then a few areas where multiple runs might be present (multi-gang switches, etc). We try to pick areas where the rock can be removed in non-habital areas (closets, etc) to minimize damage.
I'd estimated 2/3 of the jobs end up with complete removal. As a rule, if you didn't know to call for a Rough-In, you didn't know the Code requirements.
If we find nail plates, stack-its, correct drilling,etc. in the test areas, then we depend on the E/C to megger or run what tests he fees necessary to accept responsibility.
Over the years, I have been amazed at what is uncoverd on these jobs (open splices, damaged cables, etc)
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I can say exactly the same.

I have personally been through this, where the walls have had to come down. I can also tell you it is not fun, but...as has been stated, you may be surprised to see what shows up behind closed walls. :wink:
 
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JFletcher said:
.......who would eat that cost: the HO, the original EC, the inspector that passed work in violation (if the original electrical work was ever inspected), some combination of the three? ........
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It all depends on the situation. Let's say the electrician wrapped up a rough-in on Friday, and called for an inspection Monday. The inspector shows up and finds the drywallers starting to tape joints because they spent the weekend hanging rock. Then the GC pays for it because he obviously jumped the gun.

If the EC never calls for an inspection, but tells the GC to conceal thework, then the EC ponys up.

If the sheetrockers get antsy and jump the gun, then they're liable.

I doubt you could ever get an inspector or AHJ to fork over any dough.
 
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330.4

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Sorry guys maybe I wasn't clear.
It was oridinally inspected but with so much construction out here it was missed. We have some wallboard down but it isn't feasible to remove all the board, thought of adding AFCI's. And it is also part of a 400 unit condo project, I can't have all the wall board removed
 
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vegasbaby said:
Sorry guys maybe I wasn't clear.
It was oridinally inspected but with so much construction out here it was missed. We have some wallboard down but it isn't feasible to remove all the board, thought of adding AFCI's. And it is also part of a 400 unit condo project, I can't have all the wall board removed
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That definitely is a different story.
I did not realize that Vegas was so busy. Good for you guys.
 
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I did not realize that Vegas was so busy. Good for you guys.
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It's not...

#357 Las Vegas, NV
(702) 593-8131 - Job Line
(702) 452-9357 - Hall
June 10, 2009

Work is slowing down fast. Several new jobs have been put on hold because of economy. Book 1 is growing. 1,000 JWs on Book 2. several buildings are finishing shells only or not finishing at all.


Edit to add - The June date is old because there is no reason to update a slow moving book...
 
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vegas has slowed however it is still busier then most cities of this size. It had an incredable run of 15 yrs. now it is just over crowded But back to my question, it was inspected but due to a flood several areas of drywall came down. Had them put on plates at exposed areas but maybe I should have added AFCI too
 
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I certainly would not require the rest of the rock to be pulled off in this situation nor do I think you can require AFCI for the circuits unless there was an extension of the circuits. Nail plate and go on.
 
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