Kitchen Small Appliance Circuits...

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stickboy1375 said:
210.52(B)(2) No other outlets., when I read that I see I cannot have any other outlets, except a outlet for a clock or an outlet for a gas fired unit...

Definitions: Outlet: a point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment.


A plug in transformer would be utilization equipment not an outlet...
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I guess we just see two different roads here. Lets see if an inspector will chime in with a take on it, and set you straight, or wait better yet me. :)
 
chevyx92 said:
I guess we just see two different roads here. Lets see if an inspector will chime in with a take on it, and set you straight, or wait better yet me. :)
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Look at it this way, where can you show me in the code that I can only plug in small appliances into a kitchen receptacle, and show me a definition of a small appliance... :grin:
 
The cord connected lluminaire is an appliance and there has not been an outlet added receptacle or lighting.
 
M. D. said:
The cord connected lluminaire is an appliance and there has not been an outlet added receptacle or lighting.
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Since when is a luminaire an appliance? I don't see luminaires be sold and listed as appliances do you?
 
stickboy1375 said:
Look at it this way, where can you show me in the code that I can only plug in small appliances into a kitchen receptacle, and show me a definition of a small appliance... :grin:
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Branch Circuit, Appliance----> A branch circuit that supplies energy to one or more outlets to which appliances are to be connected.
 
Well I see no problem as long as you have hardwired lights in the kitchen. If you just want to put a switch on one of the outlets it should be fine... but I would consider getting a clapper instead of trying to determine if a switch is an outlet :grin:

PS: I said this someplace else in this forum today but it is worth repeating.

If you put underwear on your head is it a hat? NO it's still underwear.
 
M. D. said:
I would argue that , if a switch rated circuit breaker was employed it already has been switched. It is just a disconnect after all,.. put it up high and use a lockable in the open position cover on it and it kicks the butt of them TRO:grin:


The cord connected lluminaire is an appliance and there has not been an outlet added receptacle or lighting.

Originally Posted by chevyx92
Since when is a luminaire an appliance? I don't see luminaires be sold and listed as appliances do you?


Since when is it not
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As I read this post I was thinking as M.D. was thinking there is no violation to place a switch on the SABC as there is already one in the panel you are just making it more accessable. And stick is right I often plug in things that may not be considered appliances when I am in the kitchen. That doesn't make it a code violation. If a toaster is an appliance for making toast a luminaire is an appliance for making light. NO CODE VIOLATION as long as there is cord and plug.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Would it be a violation to install a switch to control a receptacle serving the kitchen counter?

I read 210.70(1) exception no.1, but this would not be in lieu of the lighting outlet...
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No. If it (NEC) doesn't say you can't. and it doesn't, then you can.:rolleyes:
 
At last, uncommon sense rears it's ugly head

At last, uncommon sense rears it's ugly head

stickboy1375 said:
Your missing my main point, I plan on plugging them in... it would only be a violation if they were hardwired...
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Thank you. Finally somebody said it. I had a feeling someone had forgotten that part.
 
Stop the presses!

Stop the presses!

chevyx92 said:
I understood that. Thats why I mentioned 210.52(B)(2) Exceptions 1+2. Read them if you have the book. It mentions RECEPTACLES.....for clocks or gas fired equipment. Definition of Receptacle-----> A receptacle is a contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug. So if they are allowing a receptacle fed from the SABC for a clock or gas fired equipment then thats it. The outlets are intended for small appliances on the countertop. Not undercounter lighting, that transformer is not permitted by 210.52(B)(2). IMHO. :)
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Frizbeedog just made poo poo on the rug. You're killing me. Dude, explain to me what a lighting outlet is. I'll have to take you word for it, my books aren't here. You'll be on your honor, but right now you are suspect. Outlet and receptacle are 2 diffrent breeds pooch. I'm about to drink the koolaide and go into my kitchen and rip out my under cabinet lighting because the lights don't toast my bread!
 
frizbeedog said:
Frizbeedog just made poo poo on the rug. You're killing me. Dude, explain to me what a lighting outlet is
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LOL ,..Has this pooch gotten into the hooch ???:grin:
 
sure

sure

chevyx92 said:
Really? Care to justify that one? :)
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the box is of course what defines the hole so here we go. Definitions: Outlet: a point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment. Utilization equipment includes lighting by definition.
 
Let's all try this really slowly and all together...:mad:

undercabinet lighting.

Unless you are installing lighting under the counter, in which case you would have to remove the base cabinets which would not be ideal for storing kitchen gadgets and such, you are installing undercabinet lighting, not undercounter lighting. If you want to say it wrong and look silly in front of your customers that's fine. But if you really can't comprehend the term undracabinet lighting and must use the word counter in the description...Try overcounter lighting.


I feel better now!!:grin:


By the way, switch a counter use receptacle if you want. No reason not to.
 
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Why has this post grown to 59 posts? :-? :roll: :grin:

Here was the question

stickboy1375 said:
Would it be a violation to install a switch to control a receptacle serving the kitchen counter?
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The answer is no.

The home owner can switch every outlet in the home from the master bedroom if they wanted to.
 
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