Sub panel Change out

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jmsbrush said:
I figured at least 8 at worst case scenario as well.
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You should anyway. What other work would you do the same day?
I'm just hoping the wires will be long enough to go into the new breakers. I will definitely have to put a box or trough below the panel for the few ckts down there.
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You shouldn't have to use a box. If you put in a taller panel, cut some wall both up and down, and all sheaths will reach with length to spare.

There's nothing wrong with splicing the conductors in the panel to reach their new destinations. Wirenuts look better than stretched wires anyway.
 
jmsbrush said:
Panel is 145 to 150, 3 arc at 45.00= $135
2- 60a =$120
3- 30 =$90
12-20=$41.64
2-20= $21.00
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Holy cow! Where do you buy your breakers???

Sorry for the amazement, but I've never paid that much for plug-in breakers. HD has SqD QO 1p's for $6.47 and 2p's (thru 60a) for $15.47. Needless to say, others are cheaper.

Now, if that's what you'll charge, never mind.
 
bikeindy said:
You said you are using Seimens, My price for that is

1- $65 MLO
2- 60A = 16
3- 30A = 24
14- 20 = 42

I don't have to use arc fault but I would pay # @ 32= 96
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Okay, Siemens at HD:

1p's are $3.47 ea
2p's are $10-ish
AFCI's are $32.97

These prices are from the Worksite CD that looks up local HD prices.
 
i did one of these about two months ago:

changed 16 space 32 circuit panel to a 30 circuit QO 200A w/ main brkr in drywall.

actual time on job was 2.5 hrs.

6x 2p circuits
9x sp circuits

material was around $450

6x QO2xx's
4x QO115AFCI
1x QO120GFCI
3x QO120

QO3040200 w/ main
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i had 4/hrs on-the-job hours expected. this one turned out to be one of the easier swaps i've done.
 
brantmacga said:
i did one of these about two months ago:

changed 16 space 32 circuit panel to a 30 circuit QO 200A w/ main brkr in drywall.

actual time on job was 2.5 hrs.
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is this what it looked like when you were finished ?

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TOOL_5150 said:
Square d QO 142L225G or something like that is a MLO 42 ckt 42 space panel

~Matt
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That is just weird. :confused:

I did not think anyone made a single phase 42 circuit panel. With a 42 circuit single phase panel you end up with 22 'A' leg poles and just 20 'B' leg poles.

42 poles works fine with 3 phase you end up with 14 poles of each phase.
 
Rich R said:
Yeah but then we wouldn't have anything to argue about for the next few days on the forum

These are just basic contracting forum rules :

1. Always try whenever possible to twist a post into a T&M vs Flat Rate debate, no matter what the OP was asking

2. Mention Steak and Hot Dogs as much as possible

3. Bring up Side jobs, and use the term "Trunk slammer " when you can
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Amen,You Got it Brother!
 
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iwire said:
That is just weird. :confused:

I did not think anyone made a single phase 42 circuit panel. With a 42 circuit single phase panel you end up with 22 'A' leg poles and just 20 'B' leg poles.

42 poles works fine with 3 phase you end up with 14 poles of each phase.
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The thing that confused me was that you can field install a main breaker. I always thought 42 circuits included the main as well? :-?

I bought it as a MLO, but the inspector wouldnt pass it without a main [he didnt know what he was talking about] Doesnt that count as a 44 circuit panel?

~Matt
 
The 42 over current device limit excluded the main.

But that limit has been removed entirely in the 2008 NEC. Now the only limit will be the panels listing and labeling.
 
Panel tubs are going to get even bigger with 42+ circuits. I like the new rule - never did understand why 42 was the magic number. Unfortunately, California just adopted the 2005 so I got a few more years till we can use huge panels.

~Matt
 
LarryFine said:
Holy cow! Where do you buy your breakers???

Sorry for the amazement, but I've never paid that much for plug-in breakers. HD has SqD QO 1p's for $6.47 and 2p's (thru 60a) for $15.47. Needless to say, others are cheaper.

Now, if that's what you'll charge, never mind.
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Sorry about that. I typed in the wrong numbers, I wasnt showing the math and I made a math mistake
 
LarryFine said:
Okay, Siemens at HD:

1p's are $3.47 ea
2p's are $10-ish
AFCI's are $32.97

These prices are from the Worksite CD that looks up local HD prices.
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Well if you go to the store here in indy you will see my prices are about $.03 high for each item.
 
Some electricians are very fast at changing out a panel. So fast they forget to tighten all the connections. Just twist all the ground wires together and shove them into the neutral lug instead of running them to the ground bar. That will save you some time.

Too bad the homeowner had to pay me to redo this panel and bring it up to code since the original electrician that did this installation had gone out of business and could no longer be contacted.

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Another quick and easy panel change out.

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aline said:
Another quick and easy panel change out.
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I'm sure the original installer was actually quite the skilled tradesman to begin with and could have avoided this result by spending an extra four or five hours on the project.:roll:
 
iwire said:
That is just weird. :confused:

I did not think anyone made a single phase 42 circuit panel. With a 42 circuit single phase panel you end up with 22 'A' leg poles and just 20 'B' leg poles.

42 poles works fine with 3 phase you end up with 14 poles of each phase.
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I didn't think it was weird (I've installed several Siemens 225A 42 space panels), but now that you pointed out that aspect, I can see why I see so many 40 space panels out there. It is kinda weird. :)
 
bikeindy said:
Not so wierd when you read the notes:
Siemens
225 42 42 21 ? G4242L1225CU note 6

Suitable for use as service entrance equipment when not more than six main disconnecting
means are provided and when not used as a lighting and appliance branch circuit panelboard.
See article 40F.14 (384-14) of the NEC.
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I don't get the connection between 42 circuits, the note and the NEC.

All I was saying is I felt it odd they make a panel that is has more poles of one phase then the other
 
Indy, it's bad form to edit out your post, even if you said something you later felt was foolish. Just post again, with a correction or whatever. It'll build your character and get your post count one closer to Bob's. :D
 
George Stolz said:
Indy, it's bad form to edit out your post, even if you said something you later felt was foolish. Just post again, with a correction or whatever. It'll build your character and get your post count one closer to Bob's. :D
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I don't need to catch Bob I don't have that kind of time.
But i don't think it is wierd for there to be more a legs than b
 
iwire said:
I don't get the connection between 42 circuits, the note and the NEC.

All I was saying is I felt it odd they make a panel that is has more poles of one phase then the other
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I posted the wrong note and then deleted the post but there it is anyway.
 
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