The most commonly ignored code rule

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Jim W in Tampa said:
with the small space available just what all do you hope to get.Example,west receptacle on back right bedroom ,lights and receptacles on master bedroom and closet,smoke detectors,etc
give us a break it simply cant be done
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Jim, who said you had to use the legend spaces provided with the panel?
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Example,west receptacle on back right bedroom ,lights and receptacles on master bedroom and closet,
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Would you really try and write it like that? Or like this:

SE BdRm West Rcps

Mstr Bdrm Lts/Rcps

I don't know, maybe you're just exaggerating to make a point....
 
this isnt a code violation but I really hate it when people dont twist their wires with thier linemans first. IMO this should be a violation. nothing good can come out of a loose connection.
 
some guys can do it better then other guys, but just yesterday I took some splices apart and the wires were completely straight. The only thing holding them togther was the wire in the nut. THis can be very hazzardous especially on a kitchen circut were there is a good chance to have a large load on it.
And this work was just done by another EC. Im sure it wasnt the boss doing it, but on of his minions. But some people need to be shown how to do it the right way. On a rare occasion I have come across wires that look twisted but are acually a very loose connection. I wish I still had the wire nut I took off a micro circut. It was a poor connection due to just twisting with the nut. I remember the guy who did it too and he always said it was ok. Anyway the wire nut was almost completly melted and this always stuck in my head,(that and my boss at the time would not have it). But I do agreee that some guys can do it properly but I still use my linesmans. I really dont want to increase my chances for an accident.
 
tonyou812 said:
some guys can do it better then other guys, but just yesterday I took some splices apart and the wires were completely straight. The only thing holding them togther was the wire in the nut. THis can be very hazzardous especially on a kitchen circut were there is a good chance to have a large load on it......
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I'm sure that's why we have 240.4(B) in the '08 now.... so someone doesn't take apart the noodle in a MWBC and start burning stuff up.
 
tonyou812 said:
some guys can do it better then other guys, but just yesterday I took some splices apart and the wires were completely straight. The only thing holding them togther was the wire in the nut. THis can be very hazzardous especially on a kitchen circut were there is a good chance to have a large load on it.
And this work was just done by another EC. Im sure it wasnt the boss doing it, but on of his minions. But some people need to be shown how to do it the right way. On a rare occasion I have come across wires that look twisted but are acually a very loose connection. I wish I still had the wire nut I took off a micro circut. It was a poor connection due to just twisting with the nut. I remember the guy who did it too and he always said it was ok. Anyway the wire nut was almost completly melted and this always stuck in my head,(that and my boss at the time would not have it). But I do agreee that some guys can do it properly but I still use my linesmans. I really dont want to increase my chances for an accident.
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Why should we add another article to the NEC requiring wires to be pretwisted when we already have one requiring us to follow the manufacturers directions when installing their product?

If they were installed properly in the first place there wouldn't be a problem with loose connections IMO.
 
Cow said:
Why should we add another article to the NEC requiring wires to be pretwisted when we already have one requiring us to follow the manufacturers directions when installing their product? ....
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Because the NEC is starting to make us do our work with the possibility that DIYers, HOs and God-knows-who-else is gonna inevitably stick their noses (and their tools) where they don't belong. :mad:
 
480sparky said:
Because the NEC is starting to make us do our work with the possibility that DIYers, HOs and God-knows-who-else is gonna inevitably stick their noses (and their tools) where they don't belong. :mad:
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Kinda seems that way sometimes doesn't it?
 
May not be the most ignored but certainly way up there especially with abuse:

220.10 & 40 Branch Circuit Load Calculations & Feeder and Service Load Calculations.
250.32(B) Two of More Buildings or Structures Supplied from a Common Service, Grounded System
314.16 Number of Conductors in Outlet, Device, and Junction Boxes, and Conduit Bodies
408.3(E) High leg “Stinger” location of a 240V delta.
 
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Cow said:
Kinda seems that way sometimes doesn't it?
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I thought Tilamook cheese was from Ireland? Am I really the only one who comes across wires that are only held together with the wire nut????? How many times have you pulled off a nut to find straight wires ? And do you really think this is a good connection? Doesnt anyone use common sense anymore? I think the wire nut people just want their product to seem more user friendly than the other guy.
 
tonyou812 said:
I thought Tilamook cheese was from Ireland? Am I really the only one who comes across wires that are only held together with the wire nut????? How many times have you pulled off a nut to find straight wires ? And do you really think this is a good connection? Doesnt anyone use common sense anymore? I think the wire nut people just want their product to seem more user friendly than the other guy.
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Do you think the guys that use these

http://www.smarthome.com/7878p.html

twist first and then untwist before they plug em in ?
 
480sparky said:
FWIW, I know we don't violate it, but has anyone considered 90.1(C)?
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I promise not to use it as my design manual while thoroughly conforming to it with any design. :grin:

But then again I'm a trained person. :cool:
 
The most overlooked provision of the code

The most overlooked provision of the code

On second thought, it's not 310.15(B)(2)(a) or 310.15(B)(6), it's 90.4!
 
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