"Spiking"

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Not just in football anymore. A company is going to track all voltage spikes coming into our building, record them and ask the Utility for a credit for these unused measures of voltage that just passed through our electrical system unused by us but we were billed for (Spiking). Anyone ever hear of this before, I would be very interested. I have not met this group yet.
 
Not just in football anymore. A company is going to track all voltage spikes coming into our building, record them and ask the Utility for a credit for these unused measures of voltage that just passed through our electrical system unused by us but we were billed for (Spiking). Anyone ever hear of this before, I would be very interested. I have not met this group yet.

Yeah, good luck on getting that credit.
I'm sure Charlie will ring in on that. They may actually give credits on things like that.
Charlie?
 
A facility is not billed for voltage. It is billed for energy. The energy a building uses is not impacted by voltage spikes. The company can ask the utility for a refund, if they wish, but the utility representative is likely to laugh at the request. Or maybe they will be more polite, and simply ask the company to read the contract they signed, when they asked to be connected to the utility grid.
 
A facility is not billed for voltage. It is billed for energy. The energy a building uses is not impacted by voltage spikes. The company can ask the utility for a refund, if they wish, but the utility representative is likely to laugh at the request. Or maybe they will be more polite, and simply ask the company to read the contract they signed, when they asked to be connected to the utility grid.

Boy! That didn't take long!!!!
Thanks! I didn't notice that you weren't the Charlie I had in mind.
 
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Boy! That didn't take long!!!!
You just typed faster than I did.

But I think you really were thinking about "the other Charlie," the one who works on the utility side of our industry. I would like to hear his take on this suggestion as well.
 
I had the feeling that once I was asked about this it sounded to me like the "TVSS will make you money" scenario.
 
A company is going to track all voltage spikes coming into our building, record them and ask the Utility for a credit for these unused measures of voltage that just passed through our electrical system unused by us but we were billed for (Spiking).
Voltage does not pass through your electrical system. Voltage is available for your electrical system to use.
 
I think their idea is as we are operating (24/7) we are being charged for this "spiking" and it passes through the building unused and returns to the utility and we are paying for it, that's what I got out of it or that's what I gathered form others who have talked with these people.
 
. . . that's what I gathered from others who have talked with these people.
Those others have been gathering some strange notions. Voltage does not "pass through" a building. I like your "TVSS saves money" analogy.

If I may ask, what is your role in this project? Are you being asked to install the monitoring equipment, or are you being consulted on the prospects of getting a utility refund?
 

You just typed faster than I did.

But I think you really were thinking about "the other Charlie," the one who works on the utility side of our industry. I would like to hear his take on this suggestion as well.


I was. And I would also like to hear what he has to say.
The whole thing sounds like snake oil to me.
 
At this time we are being ask to look at the benefits of this equipment and realize the money savings that we are missing out on. This company is supose to come back with in the next two weeks, I hope to sit in on this meeting.
 
The utility I work for would not honor this request. The main reason is that it is not listed in the contract as already mentioned. The reason behind this not being in the contract is that sags and swells only last for a small number of cycles. The voltage that the utility uses in its billing is the average voltage. If you look at the average RMS voltage during a sag or swell, it does not really change much at all.

The comment about having to pay extra for sags made me laugh.

I also think the analogy to the TVSS saving you money is a good one.
 
Maybe while they are at it they could figure out the decrease in life expectancy on all their electronic equipment due to the spikes and back charge for the increase replacements of such equipment as well.
 
LOL,
Inquiring minds what to know who is foisting this new scam on people. It seems there's a new one every day lately.

Maybe it's time for me to purge all my ethics and conscience to go back into the consulting business. All I have to do is find one or two of these kinds of end users and sell them on the idea of voodoo electricity. I have seen people try to make a case that utilities are bucking and/or boosting voltage in order to increase the bills (which would also have no effect on billing either by the way), but this is the first time I have heard of this poppycock.



The closest thing I have ever seen to this is that some high-tech users negotiate what are often called "guaranteed delivery" contracts with the utilities, in which they pay premium rates in exchange for NOT being hit with disturbances and outages. Those contracts will often have "payback" clauses in which they get a discount for every "incident", be it sag, surge, outage etc. That's because if you are making microprocessors and a 3ms power glitch from a grid switch by the utility causes a wafer to get corrupted in the vapor deposition process, it might cost them $50,000 worth of chips. But in these cases, the users will already have systems installed to provide high precision power monitoring, in fact usually better than what the utility would have.
 
One thing I've never seen discussed in posts like this is the fact that when the Utility gets a belly full of dealing with "customers" who insist on pursuing things like this they can and should pull the plug.
More simply put, "you've become more trouble than you are worth."
 
A lot (if not most) of the spikes you will see on the service are probably generated inside your building, anyway.
 
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