Is this a Luminaire?

[480sparky]

Originally Posted by al hildenbrand

......... Sorry for the foresight.
.........

Wouldn't that be hindsight?

[Mayimbe]

Originally Posted by drbond24

Luminaire - A complete lighting unit consisting of a light source such as a lamp or lamps, together with the parts designed to position the light source and connect it to the power supply.



Using that definition, I vote yes.

I will vote yes as well. But that definition should point out whats the aceptable range of lumens that a luminaire got to have, to be considered as a "proper" luminaire.

I would say that it has to be >500 lumens.

[al hildenbrand]

Originally Posted by Mayimbe

What can you possibly iluminate with 3 lumens?

Imagine three candle flames close to each other in a dark space. . .

[al hildenbrand]

Originally Posted by 480sparky

Wouldn't that be hindsight?

Or lack there of. . .

[drbond24]

Originally Posted by Mayimbe

I will vote yes as well. But that definition should point out whats the aceptable range of lumens that a luminaire got to have, to be considered as a "proper" luminaire.

I would say that it has to be >500 lumens.

That definition came from the NEC. They don't specify a minimum quantity of lumens, so that doesn't come into the discussion. The requirements they call out are a light source, positioning, and power supply connection. All are present in this case.

[480sparky]

Originally Posted by Mayimbe

........ What can you possibly iluminate with 3 lumens? ..........

A dark hallway, or stairway. I've installed dozens of those in houses for just such a purpose. They're far less obtrusive than a plug-in nightlight that gets ripped off by kids running by or the vacuum cleaner.

[Mayimbe]

Originally Posted by al hildenbrand

Imagine three candle flames close to each other in a dark space. . .

a single candle flame have a luminous flux of 4*3.14159(pi) lumens > 3 lumens

Originally Posted by drbond24

That definition came from the NEC. They don't specify a minimum quantity of lumens, so that doesn't come into the discussion. The requirements they call out are a light source, positioning, and power supply connection. All are present in this case.

I see.

Originally Posted by 480sparky

A dark hallway, or stairway. I've installed dozens of those in houses for just such a purpose. They're far less obtrusive than a plug-in nightlight that gets ripped off by kids running by or the vacuum cleaner.

ok.

It was just an opinion. Obviously those things have to have a use, if they doesnt had a use. what would be the reason of making those things?

I have learned something new

[al hildenbrand]

Originally Posted by Mayimbe

a single candle flame have a luminous flux of 4*3.14159(pi) lumens > 3 lumens

Thanks. I stand corrected. I was reading too fast.

[tom baker]

Why is it important if the device is a luminaire? It is and I hadn't considered it as such.

[al hildenbrand]

Originally Posted by tom baker

Why is it important if the device is a luminaire? It is and I hadn't considered it as such.

This group of light creating assemblies on a yoke have the properties of both a Luminaire and a Device.

Luminaire falls under exclusionary last sentence of Premises Wiring (System).

Device is only in the inclusive first sentences of Premises Wiring (System).

If this assembly is a Luminaire, it is installed at an Outlet.

If it is a Device, can there be an Outlet?