480sparky said:Kitchen. An area with a sink and permanent facilities for
food preparation and cooking.
Sounds like what we would call a breakfast room.normbac said:where would the definition of residential kitchen be wondering if a kitchenette (no cooking appliances) is required to have 2 - 20 amp circuits
210.52(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for refrigeration equipment.
normbac said:So would it have to have cooking appliances that are permanent
Is that your work? I like the receptacles every 3 to 4 feet.480sparky said:That's my take on it.
This.....
...IMPO is not a kitchen.
This is a good example at what state does it become a kitchen480sparky said:That's my take on it.
This.....
...IMPO is not a kitchen.
chris kennedy said:Is that your work? I like the receptacles every 3 to 4 feet.
normbac said:This is a good example at what state does it become a kitchen
benaround said:That looks like the definition of a kitchen to me.
480sparky said:Unless you are wiring to the '08, then you don't have a definition yet....
Actually I was just curious because I have to wire a similiar kit in a pool house it has two outlets and I dont see the need for 2-20 amp receptsbenaround said:That looks like a kitchen to me.
It really looks like the definition of a commercial kitchen. 210.8(B)(2). 2005
If I had nothing to refer to ( like plans or EI ) I would wire it like a 2008
kitchen or like a similar location 2005. I think that is what norm is asking.
benaround said:That looks like a kitchen to me.
It really looks like the definition of a commercial kitchen. 210.8(B)(2). 2005
If I had nothing to refer to ( like plans or EI ) I would wire it like a 2008
kitchen or like a similar location 2005. I think that is what norm is asking.
benaround said:That looks like the definition of a kitchen to me.
stickboy1375 said:It does? How so? Looks like a countertop with a sink to me.
What if it had an electric stove that was cord connected and not built in?C3PO said:I agree. If the microwave was built into the cabinet then it would be, but in 480's picture that is not a kitchen.
If the microwave has it's own circuit, what's the difference between a microwave as a permanent means of cooking, and an electric range?480sparky said:Kitchen. An area with a sink and permanent facilities for food preparation and cooking. New to the 2008 NEC.
DanZ said:If the microwave has it's own circuit, what's the difference between a microwave as a permanent means of cooking, and an electric range?
I could see this one going both ways, depending on the AHJ, I think.