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normbac

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where would the definition of residential kitchen be wondering if a kitchenette (no cooking appliances) is required to have 2 - 20 amp circuits
 

480sparky

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Kitchen. An area with a sink and permanent facilities for food preparation and cooking. New to the 2008 NEC.
 
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chris kennedy

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normbac said:
where would the definition of residential kitchen be wondering if a kitchenette (no cooking appliances) is required to have 2 - 20 amp circuits
Sounds like what we would call a breakfast room.

210.52(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for refrigeration equipment.
 

480sparky

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normbac said:
So would it have to have cooking appliances that are permanent

That's my take on it.

This.....

Master_Bedroom.jpg


...IMPO is not a kitchen.
 

480sparky

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chris kennedy said:
Is that your work? I like the receptacles every 3 to 4 feet.

One is a phone, another is a Central Vac....

normbac said:
This is a good example at what state does it become a kitchen

There's no permanent facilities for cooking, so I say it's not a kitchen.
 

benaround

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480sparky said:
Unless you are wiring to the '08, then you don't have a definition yet....

That looks like a kitchen to me.

It really looks like the definition of a commercial kitchen. 210.8(B)(2). 2005

If I had nothing to refer to ( like plans or EI ) I would wire it like a 2008

kitchen or like a similar location 2005. I think that is what norm is asking.
 

normbac

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benaround said:
That looks like a kitchen to me.

It really looks like the definition of a commercial kitchen. 210.8(B)(2). 2005

If I had nothing to refer to ( like plans or EI ) I would wire it like a 2008

kitchen or like a similar location 2005. I think that is what norm is asking.
Actually I was just curious because I have to wire a similiar kit in a pool house it has two outlets and I dont see the need for 2-20 amp recepts
 

wirebender

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benaround said:
That looks like a kitchen to me.

It really looks like the definition of a commercial kitchen. 210.8(B)(2). 2005

If I had nothing to refer to ( like plans or EI ) I would wire it like a 2008

kitchen or like a similar location 2005. I think that is what norm is asking.


Where are the permanent facilities for cooking?
 

C3PO

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stickboy1375 said:
It does? How so? Looks like a countertop with a sink to me.

I agree. If the microwave was built into the cabinet then it would be, but in 480's picture that is not a kitchen.
 

SEO

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C3PO said:
I agree. If the microwave was built into the cabinet then it would be, but in 480's picture that is not a kitchen.
What if it had an electric stove that was cord connected and not built in?
 

C3PO

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DanZ said:
If the microwave has it's own circuit, what's the difference between a microwave as a permanent means of cooking, and an electric range?

I could see this one going both ways, depending on the AHJ, I think.

A microwave sitting on the counter is not permanent. If it was a microwave/hood or something like built into the cabinets then it would be considered permanent IMPO.
 
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