Just understand that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.S'mise said:You got me there Iwire. I thought it said laundry "room"
PS; Any complaints about the internet should be sent to Al Gore
steelersman said:Just understand that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.
creating and inventing are 2 seperate meanings. Maybe this will clarify it for you.480sparky said:"During my service in the Unites States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
---interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN, 1999.
steelersman said:creating and inventing are 2 seperate meanings. Maybe this will clarify it for you.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
where does it say in the NEC that he said he invented the internet? In Genesis it doesn't say: In the beginning God invented the ....480sparky said:Where are those definitions in the NEC? Or are they in the UL white book? ICC? OSHA 1926? :grin:
steelersman said:where does it say in the NEC that he said he invented the internet? In Genesis it doesn't say: In the beginning God invented the ....
Just go to the link provided and it will explain the confusion. And I don't particularly care for Al Gore but I'm just pointing out the facts.
I don't see any argument that could be made if you read the article in the link it explains quite well.480sparky said:Well, we could beat this to death just like ground up/down, so I'm not going to say any more because it's getting off-topic.
I thought we were getting off track, but I didn't want to start anything.iwire said:Enough on the Al Gore thing.
Thanks 480 for noticing we were way off track.
iwire said:Enough on the Al Gore thing.
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S'mise said:wouldn't the laundry area be where ever the washer/dryer is regardless?
sparky723 said:I can't believe this witch hunt has gone on for as long as it has. I have had my post ended a much for a lesser reason than this one should have been before page 5. iwire,roger,somebody step up and put this thread out of its misery. GEEZ!:roll: :grin:
I don't have a book with me right now to site an article but I see this forum as a chance to understand the opinions of members, because lets face it the NEC is subject to iwide nterpetation. Thats why it changes every cycle to clarify how we interpet it. Eg. The NEC added a definition for kitchen "permanent facilities for food preparation and cooking...." So what is the definition of "Laundry" area. If It's in an open basement can I put the 20 circuit anywhere in the basement? Is the whole basement now a laundry area? Everyone sees things a little diferent but some of it falls on common sense.celtic said:You tell me....I'll need a code article to support your opinion.
The answer to that question would not alter the results of this discussion. Nothing in the NEC tells us what the laundry circuit is intended to provide power for.celtic said:Going back to a question I asked previously: Is an iron "laundry equipment"?
It says no such thing. If you know that an appliance is to be installed, and if you know where the owner intends to put that appliance, then the receptacle you install to power that appliance must be within 6 feet of that location. But if the required laundry receptacle outlet is not intended to power a specific appliance (for example if you have a 30 amp stacked unit), then there are no restrictions on its location.480sparky said:Clarification: 210.50(C) says it's gotta be within 6' of the laundry.
I disagree. ?Laundry Area? is the title of one paragraph, and it is that paragraph that requires at least one receptacle outlet. But nowhere is there a description of what constitutes a ?laundry area,? and nowhere is there a restriction that a residence have only one area that meets that description. Many posts in this thread have been along the lines of ?this is how I do it,? or ?just put this in and call it a day.? But the essence of the question is, ?What do the words in the NEC, as written, require us to do??stickboy1375 said:. . . what the NEC does care about is that you have a 120v, 20a receptacle in the laundry area.
I submit that a house can have two areas that bear the description, ?laundry area.? I can have a 30a receptacle to serve a stacked unit on the first floor, and I can install a 120 volt, 20 amp receptacle on another floor. It would not matter if I intended to use that second floor receptacle to power a separate washing machine or an iron or a special type of fluff-air dryer for clothing items that say ?dry-clean only? on their tags. If I declare that receptacle to be the required laundry outlet, and if there are no other outlets on that circuit, I will have met the letter of the law.celtic said:Where does the NEC state that "you have a 120v, 20a receptacle in the laundry area."? Where does it state that the 120v cannot be on the second floor, basement, etc (away from the "laundry area")?
I'd would say the related articles have been posted ~ however, the NFPA site seems to have an attitude lately.S'mise said:wouldn't the laundry area be where ever the washer/dryer is regardless?
celtic said:You tell me....I'll need a code article to support your opinion.
S'mise said:I don't have a book with me right now to site an article ....
Some have cited:2005 NEC said:210.11(C)(2) Laundry Branch Circuits.
In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided
to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.
210.52(F) Laundry Areas.
In dwelling units, at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed for the laundry.
2005 NEC said:210.50(C) Appliance Outlets.
Appliance receptacle outlets installed in a dwelling unit for specific appliances, such as laundry equipment, shall be installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the intended location of the appliance.
LOLsparky723 said:I can't believe this witch hunt has gone on for as long as it has. I have had my post ended a much for a lesser reason than this one should have been before page 5. iwire,roger,somebody step up and put this thread out of its misery. GEEZ!:roll: :grin:
celtic said:BTW, the NEC does not understand the term "common sense" :grin: