How to price supervision task?

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celtic

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NJ
I don't know about NJ but here employees of a temp agency are employees of the temp agency. The temp agency pays their salary, pays whatever benefits they get, pays their FICA, WC, unemployment insurance, and whatever other taxes there are to be paid on them.

This is not a whole lot different than a building owner hiring a GC who subcontracts part of the work to Joe the EC. Joe's employees don't work for the GC or the building onwer.

The GC doesn't pay anyone other than Joe.
Joe's employees work for Joe, not the GC.
Joe is responsible for FICA and other deductions.

These other deductions may be sent to another agency on the individuals behalf, but the other agency is not the employer ~ Joe, and Joe alone, is responsible for proper payment of the man's salary, benefits, etc
 

quogueelectric

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new york
The way this is skirted around by me is 2 companys will partner to do the job. Aparently there is no particular limit to the % of the job that you can partner too. The partner with the local license would of course file the job.
 

petersonra

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Northern illinois
Occupation
engineer
To qualifiy as a contractor or sub contractor there must be a certain amount of autonomy. Rented employees do not have this autonomy they work under the direction of the owner or an agent of the owner. They are told when to show up for work, what tools if any to bring, when and if breaks are allowed, and are normally paid by the hour and are not under contract. The rented employees are as much under the control of the contractor as his regular full time employees during the time they are working for him.

This is a misunderstanding of the who is considered an employee for tax purposes versus who is a subcontractor. The autonomy and other issues you mentioned only come into play when determining if someone is a legitimate subcontractor versus being an employee.

There is generally no law that says an employee of company A cannot work under the supervision of company B. That is actually very common.

What is not permitted is to claim someone who is directly supervised by company B a subcontractor so company B can avoid various taxes, OT, etc. As long as company A is paying these things, there is no problem.
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
The way this is skirted around by me is 2 companys will partner to do the job. Aparently there is no particular limit to the % of the job that you can partner too. The partner with the local license would of course file the job.

NJ has very little bit to say on that :
13:31-3.5 Joint ventures
(a) Where two or more persons form a joint venture for the purpose of contracting to perform electrical work in
New Jersey, each party to the joint venture shall hold a business permit issued by the Board to engage in
electrical contracting in New Jersey.
(b) The term “persons,” as used in (a) above, is defined to mean individuals, corporations, partnerships or other
business entities.


....it does not say each party to the joint venture shall hold a electrical license ;)
 

jjhoward

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Location
Northern NJ
Occupation
Owner TJ Electric
I will be doing the all of the electrical work on this project.
The units have already been ordered and paid for, they are due to arrive end of this week.
I will de-energize all compressors/heaters and air handlers.

They pull out the old ones, put the new ones in place, I wire in the new units.

If required I may bring 1 man with me.

I anticipate this to be very uneventful, predictable and profitable!
 

quogueelectric

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Location
new york
I will be doing the all of the electrical work on this project.
The units have already been ordered and paid for, they are due to arrive end of this week.
I will de-energize all compressors/heaters and air handlers.

They pull out the old ones, put the new ones in place, I wire in the new units.

If required I may bring 1 man with me.

I anticipate this to be very uneventful, predictable and profitable!

It doesnt get better than that. You wanna take me with you? I love rooftop ac units in the snow. :smile:
 

jrannis

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AAAHHHH Jersey. You Might be from Jersey if:

AAAHHHH Jersey. You Might be from Jersey if:

* you've been seriously injured at Action Park.
* you know that the only people who call it "Joisey" are from New York(usually The Bronx)or Texas.
* you don't think of citrus when people mention "The Oranges."
* you know that it's called "Great Adventure," not "Six Flags."
* you've ordered a hard roll with butter for breakfast.
* you've known the way to Seaside Heights since you were seven.
* you've eaten at a diner, when you were stoned or drunk, at 3 am.
* whenever you park, there's a Camaro within three spots of you.
* you remember that the "Two Guys" were from Harrison.
* you know that the state isn't one big oil refinery.
* at least three people in your family still love Bruce Springsteen, and you know what town Jon Bon Jovi is from.
* you know what a "jug handle" is.
* you know that a WaWa is a convenience store.
* you know that the state isn't all farmland.
* you know that it isnt "The Beach" in New Jersey - it's the shore, and you know that the road to the shore is "The Parkway" not "The Garden State Highway."
* you know that "Piney" isn't referring to a tree.
* even your school cafeteria made good Italian subs, and, you call it a "sub" not a "submarine sandwich" or worse yet, a "hoagie" or a "hero."
* you remember the song from the Palisades Park commercials.
* you know how to properly negotiate a Circle.
* you knew that the last question had to do with driving.
* you know that "Acme" is an actual store, not just a Warner Bros. creation.
* you know that this is the only "New..." state that doesn't require "New" to identify it (like, try ...Mexico, ...York, ...Hampshire (doesn't work, does it?).
* you only go to New York City for day trips, and you only call it "The City."
* you consider a corned beef sandwich with lettuce and mayo a sacrilege.
* in the 80's you wore your hair REALLY high. (wait, didn't everybody??)
* you don't think "What exit" (do you live near?) is very funny.
* you know that the real first "strip shopping center" in the country is Route 22.
* you know that people from 609 area code are "a little different."
* you know that no respectable New Jerseyan goes to Princeton - that's for out-of-staters.
* the Jets-Giants game has started fights at your school or local bar.
* you live within 20 minutes of at least three different malls.
* you can see the Manhattan skyline from some part of your town.
* you refer to all highways and interstates by their numbers.
* every year, you had at least one kid in your class named Tony.
* you know where every "clip" shown in the Sopranos opening credits is.
* you've gotten on the wrong highway trying to get out of Willowbrook Mall.
* you've eaten a Boardwalk cheesesteak with vinegar fries.
* you have a favorite Atlantic City casino.
* you start planning for Memorial Day weekend in February.
* you've never pumped your own gas. (Chris) Took me forever to get this one...
* you know how to navigate a circle while talking on a cell phone and smoking a Marlboro w/o using blinkers. (Mandie)
* every 3 miles you drive there is a deserted mall.
* most really nice homes have a gas station and a junk yard next door to them.
* you never tell the truth about what state you're from when strangers ask you in a chatroom.
* most of your cash is in dimes and quarters.
* even after moving to California, you still carry a separate change purse full of quarters and dimes for tolls. (Diane)
* you learned to drive by backing out of your driveway onto a 50 MPH road. (visitor submission)
* you have the shop install lumps and dents into your fenders so others will know that you have the strength in convinction to change lanes. (visitor submission)
* you take kick-boxing lessons hoping someone will tell you the two weeks in
New Jersey prize joke. (visitor submission)
* you know where highway 9 is from that Bruce Springsteen song. ( Steve Rothandler, srotha@yahoo.com )
* you have ever shopped at Wawa. ( Steve Rothandler, srotha@yahoo.com )
 
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