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Thread: Thurs Pic: Why Backstabbers Should be Shot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Christopherson View Post
    Yes, that was of course the first thing I noticed. However, the device plugged in to that outlet on the receptacle was a CO monitor.
    The discoloration is due to a contact burn from the metal components transmitting the heat to the surface. I am confident in that conclusion.
    True as hot as it got.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Christopherson View Post
    The only unknown to this evaluation is what the unknown Hot wire was feeding and whether it played a role. It showed no-load when I tested it, but that was only cursory.
    This is why I invested in a good (but expensive) wire circuit tracer that will do energized or dead conductors, it's my eyes in the walls, and I have yet to have to open other box's to find a lost circuit, it hits it everytime.
    I love it when I go into a house and plug it in to the dead side of the circuit and follow the wire around the room till I get to a receptacle where I loose my signal and pull out the bad receptacle within a few minutes and many times it is one that was still working, then have the homeowner state that the last guy charged her 4 hours after pulling our almost every receptacle and took down lights and fans only to tell her he will have to run a new circuit, lucky she got a second opinion
    Wayne A. From: N.W.Indiana
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    Just don't be fairly safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurk27 View Post
    This is why I invested in a good (but expensive) wire circuit tracer that will do energized or dead conductors, it's my eyes in the walls, and I have yet to have to open other box's to find a lost circuit, it hits it everytime.
    I agree, but you have to remember that I'm just a dumb engineer, and to us, 9/16, 5/8, what's the difference? A vise Grips fits 'em all.



    Yes, I was wishing I had one, but no, I didn't.


    Umm, no, I wasn't serious about the vice grips comment.

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    "Shoot the back stabbers"
    Well what do you know Rick, we can agree on something.
    BB+/BB=?

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    Back stabbers should be stabbed in the back

    Sounds more logical than being shot


    One trick to tracing an open circuit is to connect an external lead to tracer and the neutral of the open circuit, assuming the hot conductor is all that is open, or vice versa if the neutral is open. If properly installed, you should at least be able to narrow it down to one raceway or cable to look at.

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    Wago's sT#NK IMHO. used them on alarge cooleg dorm project, CG PM ordered them. I hate them. you can't use them with stranded wire, they will slip, they will not always hold up. it's a "quick and dirty" for those who choose to work that way. BIG YUCKO. i flat refuse to backstab any work. I've held to "homeowners and people who don't know what they are doing work like that, a licensed electricians should know" better. i've pulled devices out of boxes that were backstabbed buy someone else, and had the wires pull out as the device came out good to get that off my chest. it just gives you a cr@ppy job

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    Pedro, you need to get your keyboard fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Christopherson View Post
    I even discovered they used WAGO connectors in some of their boxes
    Did you actually find any problems with any of the installed WAGOs?
    Jack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twoskinsoneman View Post
    Did you actually find any problems with any of the installed WAGOs?
    It's not my project, so I can't say if there were or not. However, there have been frequent failures in the system due to the failure of wire clamps, whether those were wago or backstab.

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    We've had this discussion before. IMO, a WAGO or Ideal (their version) isn't the same as a back stabbed connection as far as working loose. I have never had to change or redo a connection made by a WAGO type connection. It's very easy to check the connection by pulling on the wire and you can even see the wire inside the connector. So if properly installed, a WAGO type connection will hold. I've used this type connector for years, going back before WAGOs were made. I used them on French made machines, didn't have an official name for them then. I don't however use them on stranded (I have, after tinning the wires on low voltage). Most of the problems with back stabbed receptacles occurs from plugging/unplugging cords, causing them to move and overtime can work loose. I still say that most were not properly inserted to begin with. I don't back stab receptacles but I might a switch under certain conditions.
    I'm mainly defending the WAGOs, but will state that they aren't for every connection. They sure are a life saver when dealing with wires too short to use a wire nut on.
    If you aim at nothing, you will hit it every time!

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    I guess I'm just blessed.

    I've backstabbed everything I can for 30+ years, used wago's for at least 10 years, and haven't had a failure that I'm aware of yet (when the wago or backstab device was properly installed)

    I've had a few wirenuts fail (probably not installed properly), seen backstabs by others fail, seen purple nurples catch fire, seen tons of crimp connections fail, but never a problem with properly installed wagos or back stabs.
    ABC

    "Eschew Obfuscation!"

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