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    Quote Originally Posted by electricguy61 View Post
    I guess I'm just blessed.

    I've backstabbed everything I can for 30+ years, used wago's for at least 10 years, and haven't had a failure that I'm aware of yet (when the wago or backstab device was properly installed)

    I've had a few wirenuts fail (probably not installed properly), seen backstabs by others fail, seen purple nurples catch fire, seen tons of crimp connections fail, but never a problem with properly installed wagos or back stabs.
    I agree, most things fail due to the improper installation, bottom line.
    "Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking."

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    Quote Originally Posted by electricguy61 View Post
    I guess I'm just blessed.

    I've backstabbed everything I can for 30+ years, used wago's for at least 10 years, and haven't had a failure that I'm aware of yet (when the wago or backstab device was properly installed)

    I've had a few wirenuts fail (probably not installed properly), seen backstabs by others fail, seen purple nurples catch fire, seen tons of crimp connections fail, but never a problem with properly installed wagos or back stabs.
    I have seen many backstabbed receptacles fail. How do I know if they were installed correctly or not?

    I have also seen screw terminals fail, just not as many.

    I have never seen a failed wago type connector. I keep a few of the Ideal brand handy. They are great for dealing with short wires in small boxes. So far, not a single problem, but they can be a bugger to install correctly. It's a good thing you can see through the ends as sometimes it's nearly impossible to get a wire in there. Old 12 AWG NMS has fat insulation and really has to be pushed in hard to seat.

    For connecting just two regular solid wires, I think I can actually put a wire nut on faster, as the wago types can fight you. But, I guess, if they just slid in with no friction, they probably wouldn't work very well for very long.

    Another downside of wago types is the impossibility or extreme difficulty in removing the conductors without having to cut the connector off. Sometimes it's nice to be able to separate conductors for test reasons. It would be nice if they came up with some sort of removal tool or procedure that would not damage the conductor and would be fairly easy to do.
    Last edited by K8MHZ; 10-22-11 at 10:35 AM.
    Cheers and Stay Safe,

    Marky the Sparky

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    Great discussion on push in connectors with a biopsy and pictures

    http://www.diychatroom.com/f18/opini...-42921/index3/

    At least now I know how to try to get the wire out of one!
    Cheers and Stay Safe,

    Marky the Sparky

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    Quote Originally Posted by K8MHZ View Post
    Great discussion on push in connectors with a biopsy and pictures

    http://www.diychatroom.com/f18/opini...-42921/index3/

    At least now I know how to try to get the wire out of one!
    Have not disected a receptacle with push in ports in a while, but am willing to guess they do not have the steel spring or at least not as much tension as the WAGO and other similar devices, is likely the reason people notice many receptacle failures but seldom see WAGO failures.

    I have pulled many conductors out of switches and receptacles, it is usually not that hard to do, just twist the device and pull the conductor, occasionally just pull the conductor. WAGO's takes more effort to remove a conductor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    WAGO's takes more effort to remove a conductor.
    Not in my experience, but I guess mileage varies.

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    [QUOTE=George Stolz;1344492]Not in my experience, but I guess mileage varies.[/QUOTE

    Maybe it's the altitude where you live

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    Quote Originally Posted by electricguy61 View Post
    I guess I'm just blessed.

    I've backstabbed everything I can for 30+ years, used wago's for at least 10 years, and haven't had a failure that I'm aware of yet (when the wago or backstab device was properly installed)

    I've had a few wirenuts fail (probably not installed properly), seen backstabs by others fail, seen purple nurples catch fire, seen tons of crimp connections fail, but never a problem with properly installed wagos or back stabs.
    Watch out. Rick apparently thinks you should be shot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twoskinsoneman View Post
    Watch out. Rick apparently thinks you should be shot
    Me too. At least with a paint ball or something.
    BB+/BB=?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Stolz View Post
    Pedro, you need to get your keyboard fixed.
    "Electricity is really just organized lightning." George Carlin


    Derék

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    Quote Originally Posted by mivey View Post
    Me too. At least with a paint ball or something.
    I got a nerf gun, I am willing to shoot you both and anybody else who may be interested. Best I can do.


    "Electricity is really just organized lightning." George Carlin


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