Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 22

Thread: Wiring/bonding an above ground pool question.

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Jersey
    Posts
    1,288

    Wiring/bonding an above ground pool question.

    Happy Monday all,

    For the installation of a permanently installed "above" ground pool, is equipotential bonding of the perimeter surface required?


    Someone called for a quick estimate and I need to get some rough thoughts in my head when looking at the job (residential,single family).

    In referencing 680.22, I'm thinking a single twist lock GFCI receptacle for a pool pump located 6' to 10' from the inside wall edge. And a GFCI convenience receptacle located 6' to 20' from the inside wall edge.


    I also note 680.21, that "inside" the structure can be "regular" wiring methods....type nm for the pump, but I'm then assuming that "outside" would have to be in a conduit with an insulated grounding conductor.

    Questioning the perimeter surface bond, but I'm also assuming bonding would be just from the motor to the metal framing of the pool.

    I have to check, I'm not sure of the particulars if there will be a deck around the pool, but if not, how are the ladders (A frame removable) to get in and out of the pool addressed?


    Thank you for your insight,
    Rich
    " I'm at a crucial part of my painting "...........Monika Danneman

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Jersey
    Posts
    1,288
    Ok.......I will consider permanently installed either above or in-ground.
    " I'm at a crucial part of my painting "...........Monika Danneman

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Jersey
    Posts
    1,288
    So the pool will have a deck around it. I will presume a perimeter surface bond is still required.

    Turns out, the owner will also be installing a hot tub "on" and existing wood deck.

    This deck is on the way from the panel to the pool.

    I could run in the house with nmb (1-120v circ pool pump, 1-240v circ hydromassage) then change to conduit outside with an insulated ground for both the tub and pool.
    If I choose to run exterior instead below grade, are there any problems with having both the pool and hydromassage circuits in the same conduit......and can they both share the same insulated ground?

    The tub will be on a wood deck........I see no need for perimeter surface bond there....although I may also see no need for a perimeter surface bond around the pool since it will have a deck going around it.

    Please confirm.......the #8 bond only needs to bond pool metal and equipment and does "not" have to run back to the main panel.



    We had a light winter here.....mainly cause I changed my heating system, got a new winter coat, and new snow tires for the truck this year.
    This guy jinxed it by talking about swimming pools now it's 30 degrees again.
    " I'm at a crucial part of my painting "...........Monika Danneman

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Jersey
    Posts
    1,288
    Alright...........guess I'm on the right track here..........many views with no response so I'll take that as a green light.

    Next time maybe I should label the post........ NEEDED: Older person to wire porno pool and hot tub.


    ....ha ha ha
    " I'm at a crucial part of my painting "...........Monika Danneman

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    12,458
    Curious as to where you will find a GFCI twist-lok

    Note that 680.26 requires bonding of specific parts such as motors, metal fittings , etc. and it is for "bonding" so there is no need to run back to the panel.

    There are various opinions on how to handle wood decks.
    Here is one thread where it's discussed:

    http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthrea...ight=wood+deck
    Last edited by augie47; 03-26-12 at 04:55 PM.
    At my age, I'm accustomed to restaurants asking me to pay in advance, but now my bank has started sending me their calendar one month at a time.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Jersey
    Posts
    1,288
    thanks augie.............I was feeling invisible.


    That would be fun..............that and x-ray eyes.
    " I'm at a crucial part of my painting "...........Monika Danneman

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Jersey
    Posts
    1,288
    great...here we go,
    don't add salt
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	wood flow.jpg 
Views:	197 
Size:	141.0 KB 
ID:	6689   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	salt.jpg 
Views:	85 
Size:	88.7 KB 
ID:	6691  
    Last edited by ritelec; 03-26-12 at 05:23 PM.
    " I'm at a crucial part of my painting "...........Monika Danneman

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Chapel Hill, NC
    Posts
    25,940
    IMO, you need epb for permanently installed pools whether they are above ground or below.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    12,458
    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    IMO, you need epb for permanently installed pools whether they are above ground or below.
    and you install it where when there is a wood deck ?
    At my age, I'm accustomed to restaurants asking me to pay in advance, but now my bank has started sending me their calendar one month at a time.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Chapel Hill, NC
    Posts
    25,940
    Quote Originally Posted by augie47 View Post
    and you install it where when there is a wood deck ?
    I did and I installed it in the ground below the deck and across the underside of the deck boards -- this was for a hot tub. I think it is silly but....

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •