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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    After a little more thinking, I think that MD has two normal power feeders (not allowed by art 225) and an additional standby system feeder (which is allowed by art 225).
    This is exactly it .. It's not my job and the electrician who's job it is has done this same set up several times and has never been called on it .. Massachusetts is the state .
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. D. View Post
    This is exactly it .. It's not my job and the electrician who's job it is has done this same set up several times and has never been called on it .. Massachusetts is the state .
    If the supply were a service instead of a feeder(s) there would be no NEC violations with what was described, but like I said earlier about the easiest fix is to make it a 400 amp feeder instead of two 200 amp feeders by making them parallel conductors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    If the supply were a service instead of a feeder(s) there would be no NEC violations with what was described, but like I said earlier about the easiest fix is to make it a 400 amp feeder instead of two 200 amp feeders by making them parallel conductors.
    I guess but the wording reads like a system can be supplied ,. I'm not sure what we have here is not a system for optional stand
    by power
    (A) Special Conditions. Additional feeders or branch cir-
    cuits shall be permitted to supply the following: fying under the provisions of Article 685, the disconnecting



    (4) Optional standby systems


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    Quote Originally Posted by M. D. View Post
    I guess but the wording reads like a system can be supplied ,. I'm not sure what we have here is not a system for optional stand
    by power
    (A) Special Conditions. Additional feeders or branch cir-
    cuits shall be permitted to supply the following: fying under the provisions of Article 685, the disconnecting



    (4) Optional standby systems


    The generator feeder would comply with (4). The second feeder from the meter would not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curt swartz View Post
    The generator feeder would comply with (4). The second feeder from the meter would not.
    I agree. That was what I was saying back in my post #5 but I was not clear and not exactly sure of the OP's question. From what I see of his reply's of what he is doing this would not be compliant. That said, many AHJ will allow 2 feeders in situations like this. Although I must say that I had a fellow electrician do exactly this recently (2, 200 amp feeders to a new home from a remote meter main in the yard) and had to take out and re do it with a single feeder to pass inspection. Costly mistake. That is why I advised the OP to check with the AHJ first.

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    My question is .. what is the second feeder supplying if not an optional standby system?
    Last edited by M. D.; 11-11-13 at 05:35 AM.
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    And I'm sorry about the extra text in the quote from the NEC I didn't notice it ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. D. View Post
    400 amp service meter main with 200a ocpd/disconnect for optional standby panel at house and 200a ocpd/disconnect for non standby panel at house, grouped at house . 2 ground rods out at pedestal connected to the neutral in socket .. equipment ground to house .. there is a concrete encased electrode at the house , does the equipment ground bond thisat the house or do I have to run all the way out to the pedestal ?
    Dumb question but one of the panels is viewed as an "optional standby" panel. Does this mean when the house was wired, the circuits originating from this panel had been selected so that they would be on generator power during an outage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M. D. View Post
    My question is .. what is the second feeder supplying if not an optional standby system?
    What do you have if there was only a single panel with a transfer switch ahead of it? A utility supplied system or a standby system?

    As far as I am concerned the optional standby system starts at the alternate source and ends at the transfer switch, but does include load shedding relays or similar devices. Otherwise everything on the load side of the transfer switch is the same regardless of which source is powering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark32 View Post
    Dumb question but one of the panels is viewed as an "optional standby" panel. Does this mean when the house was wired, the circuits originating from this panel had been selected so that they would be on generator power during an outage?
    yes ,pre determined
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