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    Not sure what this company offers in their "electrical contractors" package of forms but it might be a good place to start. Maybe even call them.

    http://www.uslegalforms.com/contractors/

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldstar View Post
    Maybe - maybe not.
    Right, maybe maybe not.

    But something that should be verified before trying to apply it. I was talking more about local laws than contract agreements.

    Here in MA we are obligated by law to provide at least 1 year warranty and no contract can take that away.

    Contracts may extend that, we have done jobs where the company had to agree to a 5 year warranty on some parts of it.

    Now of course a contractor might try to ignore warranty work for a job that has a balance but the customer could go to the licensing board about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coppersmith View Post
    Warranty void until balance is paid in full."
    I added this to my invoice form after going to a seminar given by a large Kentucky electrical contractor who does the same and advised it provided some leverage for getting paid thus the public statement on the form. Far as I know it's perfectly legal in my jurisdiction. Strangely, the only client that has ever asked me about the warranty during negotiations is the Federal Government (FAA).

    It would really piss me off to be forced to do warranty work on an unpaid job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwire View Post
    Right, maybe maybe not.

    But something that should be verified before trying to apply it. I was talking more about local laws than contract agreements.

    Here in MA we are obligated by law to provide at least 1 year warranty and no contract can take that away.

    Contracts may extend that, we have done jobs where the company had to agree to a 5 year warranty on some parts of it.

    Now of course a contractor might try to ignore warranty work for a job that has a balance but the customer could go to the licensing board about it.
    So if you somehow ended up stealing a new appliance or a new car, you can demand warranty repairs even though you did not pay for those items? Seems like a fair enough comparison on how the owner acquired the item in question.

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    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    So if you somehow ended up stealing a new appliance or a new car, you can demand warranty repairs even though you did not pay for those items? Seems like a fair enough comparison on how the owner acquired the item in question.
    Yes that would be how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwire View Post
    In some areas I believe that would be unlawful.
    I agree. As soon as we install material in a building, we no longer own it even if we never get paid for it. It's not fair but, it's the law. If the OP wants to start in the right direction, they should contact an attorney that specializes in business law.

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    And somehow if it doesn't work quite right we have to honor a warranty even though the work hasn't been paid for...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    So if you somehow ended up stealing a new appliance or a new car, you can demand warranty repairs even though you did not pay for those items? Seems like a fair enough comparison on how the owner acquired the item in question.
    Yes, I agree - it does seem like a fair comparison. There's a lovely expression here. Twocing. Taking without owner's consent.
    I can't comment on the legality of it but it does seem pretty unreasonable.

    And I don't know how it would work here in the UK or elsewhere. We were acquired by Cooper Controls who were subsequently acquired by the Eaton Corporation. So we were American owned.
    The other difference is that we were manufacturing equipment so, for the most part, supplying hardware rather than installing.

    Our terms of tender and sale did not change significantly. And were printed with every order acknowledgement and invoice. We had a clause that "title (ownership) would not pass until the goods were paid for in full". That obviously begs the question of how can a "customer" demand warranty on something they didn't own?

    Another little gem I got from one of my colleagues many years ago:
    "You haven't made a sale until the bill gets paid."
    Just thought I'd throw that in 'cos it's pertinent to the topic.

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    I believe it is not required by law to offer warranty of any kind.
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