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    Harness and using a portable ladder ?

    Safety is now saying we need to use a harness any time we are on a ladder ( Portable Ladder ) over 4 ft . I understand OHSA does not require using a harness for portable ladders . This is a manufacturing plant where we have office areas with 10 ft ceiling's. There is different pieces of equipment that we access using a 6,8, or 10 ft portable "A" frame type ladder standing on the ladder while doing the work . This is out in the manufacturing floor with no drop ceiling and the bar joists above are roughly 18 ft high . My question is . Are other manufacturing type plants requiring the use of harness's while on a portable ladder ?

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    I am not a huge fan of people working off ladders high enough where if they fall they could fall on someone and hurt them.

    I think they should have a safety harness so if they fall off the ladder they won't come crashing down on someone below them.
    Bob

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    How/where do the safety people say you have to tie-off the harness? How do you get there without needing a harness ? (Or do you just wear it without tieing it off?)

    I pretty much always toss inane safety rules back at 'em and ask just how we're supposed to safely comply. ("Lessee, 6' ladder requires a harness... with a 6' lanyard... remind me again what this protects?")

    For an 18' ceiling, I could see requiring a lift, but then scissor lifts often don't require a harness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbang View Post
    How/where do the safety people say you have to tie-off the harness? How do you get there without needing a harness ? (Or do you just wear it without tieing it off?)

    I pretty much always toss inane safety rules back at 'em and ask just how we're supposed to safely comply. ("Lessee, 6' ladder requires a harness... with a 6' lanyard... remind me again what this protects?")

    For an 18' ceiling, I could see requiring a lift, but then scissor lifts often don't require a harness.
    You can't just tie off to anything either. It has to be a rated anchorage. If you intend to loop the lanyard around something and tie it back on itself, the "something" you loop it around has to be a rated anchorage and the lanyard has to be tie back rated. Most aren't.

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    It is not just the ladder, but a lot of the safety rules in general. Arc Flash irks me. Many people on these forums won't be happy until you suit up to plug in a toaster. No wonder jobs are off shored, who wants to put up with safety people outlawing work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Kissel View Post
    Arc Flash irks me. Many people on these forums won't be happy until you suit up to plug in a toaster. No wonder jobs are off shored, who wants to put up with safety people outlawing work.
    I think at least some of that is job insurance, but really do you want to get an arc blast in the face w/o appropriate PPE?

    I think some of the PPE requirements for people who are working on stuff where the incident energy is very low are a bit overdone, but for the most part the most annoying PPE requirement is to wear gloves when working around live parts. It is so difficult to do work with the damn gloves on for debugging PLC cabinets that virtually no one wears them, even though there is 480V and/or 120V in most PLC cabinets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Kissel View Post
    It is not just the ladder, but a lot of the safety rules in general. Arc Flash irks me. Many people on these forums won't be happy until you suit up to plug in a toaster. No wonder jobs are off shored, who wants to put up with safety people outlawing work.
    I work with one foreman that has burns all over his arms and legs from an arc flash he had nothing to do with. He spent a lot of time in the burn ward.

    He would tell you it sucked and to smarten up.

    I worked with a 24 year old, just married kid on the way. He is dead now, killed by burns from an arc flash. He decided to work hot.

    10/23/06
    Consolidated Electrical Services,

    Joshua Raskett, 24, was electrocuted when he came into
    contact with an
    energized 480 volt three phase circuit while
    installing permanent cables for a new elevator.
    http://www.massaflcio.org/sites/mass...ort%202007.pdf



    I went to his wake, pretty sobering.


    Now all that said, do I follow every rule? No, I need to do better but I am getting there.

    And as far as our jobs being shipped off shore that is just crazy.

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    Not having a issue with safety . Worked large industrial jobs when I was younger and the majority of people that got killed were from falls . I do very much appreciate the emphasis on arc flash nowadays as I've seen some pretty bad stuff arc over the years and I realize that I was very fortunate not to have had a accident as we used to work everything " Hot " when I started out in the trade . I do think it is a excellent idea posting the incident energy on panels to give you a idea of how dangerous they can be . When it comes to ladders I have no problem using a harness depending on the situation and using common sense . I just wondered if other plants were trying to do a one size fits all ? How can can you say wear a harness above 4 ft on a ladder and then take a 8 ft ladder into a room with a drop ceiling and make that work ???

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    AB (InBev) supposedly requires harnesses for working 6'+ on a portable ladder, tho I've no idea how that might be accomplished outside except rigging one to a lift bucket. Next time you go to Busch Gardens and pay $75 a ticket and $20 parking, this is part of the reason why. They have fired maintenance for violating this rule.

    Indoor, rig a harness to the trusses with a man/scissor lift first?
    Electricians do it until it Hertz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwire View Post
    I work with one foreman that has burns all over his arms and legs from an arc flash he had nothing to do with. He spent a lot of time in the burn ward.

    He would tell you it sucked and to smarten up.

    I worked with a 24 year old, just married kid on the way. He is dead now, killed by burns from an arc flash. He decided to work hot.


    http://www.massaflcio.org/sites/mass...ort%202007.pdf



    I went to his wake, pretty sobering.


    Now all that said, do I follow every rule? No, I need to do better but I am getting there.

    And as far as our jobs being shipped off shore that is just crazy.
    My boss had a 480V safety switch blow up on him. The only reason it did not blow his head off is because he lost his balance while throwing the switch. We all gained a new appreciation for safety rules and changed our work habits. It's a tiny shop so it was basically one meeting where he said, "Don't ever let me catch you working 480 hot or you're fired."

    I don't follow the letter of the law either, i.e I don't wear gloves all the time when I'm trouble shooting but I have no problem telling somebody I need to kill power to work on something.

    What I dislike are rules that are so cumbersome and impractical that people loose all respect for their purpose and important rules get ignored. I got to sit down with an gas company safety officer a few weekends ago at a card game and it was a great conversation. He was telling me how they had just got done going through their procedures manual and editing it down and the result was better safety and more compliance.
    Once in a while you get shown the light
    In the strangest of places if you look at it right. Robert Hunter

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