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    As a general rule you can't support other items from wiring methods, though I seem to be having trouble finding you a specific code reference that says that. I looked in art 110 and 300 (where I expected to find something) but so far no luck. Maybe look in applicable wiring methods section(s) in chapter 3? Messenger supported wiring section don't really say anything either though.

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    jcameron,

    I am asking what, if any, other construction codes are in place.
    Such as the Plumbing Codes, possible the Residential Code,
    and not just the electrical code.

    In this particular application \ jurisdiction, ...what codes are
    adopted ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by north star View Post
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    jcameron,

    I am asking what, if any, other construction codes are in place.
    Such as the Plumbing Codes, possible the Residential Code,
    and not just the electrical code.

    In this particular application \ jurisdiction, ...what codes are
    adopted ?


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    Ahhh, gotcha! I appreciate you baring with me on this. I should explain better. It's not a residential account. The person I'm talking about is running a seasonal rv campground that he developed on his own and when I say it's in the middle of nowhere, man, I mean it. He has between 2 & 3,000 people come through each year, though. We are in Missouri and I've been told that we are a non-inspection state, so 90-95% do whatever they want since no one's coming to check on them until some one gets hurt.

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    jcameron,

    So are you saying that there are no adopted codes
    in place, with which to enforce anything ?
    Another way of asking the question, what [ exactly ]
    Codes or Standards are enforceable in your application ?

    Thanks !


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    Quote Originally Posted by north star View Post
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    jcameron,

    So are you saying that there are no adopted codes
    in place, with which to enforce anything ?
    Another way of asking the question, what [ exactly ]
    Codes or Standards are enforceable in your application ?

    Thanks !


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    You are correct, nothing is in place.

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    jcameron,

    I'm not trying to be snarky or disrespectful,
    ...if nothing has been adopted in that area, and
    regarding your original post, what do you reasonably
    think can be enforced ?

    Also, ...just for a moment, let's look outside the
    proverbial "electrical box" at your problem.
    What other Codes or Standards might be an issue
    with your application ?.....Since there does not
    seem to be anything related to the Messenger
    Wire, what about the potable water line itself ?
    "IF" the International Plumbing Code or another
    Plumbing Code were actually adopted and in-place,
    you could cite Section 605.3 [ RE: `15 IPC ] -
    Water Service Pipe......This particular Code
    section requires the water service piping to meet
    a minimum standard, which in your application,
    ...it clearly does not....... There are other
    requirements about fully supporting the potable
    water service piping as well.

    Also, are there any Zoning ordinances in-place ?
    Does the county in which this camp is located
    not have any minimum Standards, or Fire Marshall ?
    Section 110.1 in the `12 International Fire Code
    would allow the Fire Official to render an
    interpretation of unsafe conditions on the premises,
    and to have those conditions removed.

    If you want to discuss this topic some more, in a
    non-electrical Forum, then I would encourage you
    to go to: The Building Codes Forum, at this Link:
    https://www.thebuildingcodeforum.com/forum/

    Thanks !


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    Quote Originally Posted by north star View Post
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    jcameron,

    I'm not trying to be snarky or disrespectful,
    ...if nothing has been adopted in that area, and
    regarding your original post, what do you reasonably
    think can be enforced ?

    Also, ...just for a moment, let's look outside the
    proverbial "electrical box" at your problem.
    What other Codes or Standards might be an issue
    with your application ?.....Since there does not
    seem to be anything related to the Messenger
    Wire, what about the potable water line itself ?
    "IF" the International Plumbing Code or another
    Plumbing Code were actually adopted and in-place,
    you could cite Section 605.3 [ RE: `15 IPC ] -
    Water Service Pipe......This particular Code
    section requires the water service piping to meet
    a minimum standard, which in your application,
    ...it clearly does not....... There are other
    requirements about fully supporting the potable
    water service piping as well.

    Also, are there any Zoning ordinances in-place ?
    Does the county in which this camp is located
    not have any minimum Standards, or Fire Marshall ?
    Section 110.1 in the `12 International Fire Code
    would allow the Fire Official to render an
    interpretation of unsafe conditions on the premises,
    and to have those conditions removed.

    If you want to discuss this topic some more, in a
    non-electrical Forum, then I would encourage you
    to go to: The Building Codes Forum, at this Link:
    https://www.thebuildingcodeforum.com/forum/

    Thanks !


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    I thank you for your help and think your answers have been great, so far. The part we were looking to enforce would have been any electrical code that applied to the situation...since we are in the area and can handle that. No one can seem to find one that applies to them hanging their water line off of the overhead power line. I don't think I'm getting across how remote this place is in regards to any kind of safety inspections. Far enough from civilization that they don't have a fire marshal. If this area has ever seen any kind of inspector it only would have been our pole inspector. Thanks again for your help!

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    jcameron,

    Even if someone were to find an applicable
    NEC Article that applied to your application,
    ...as you have stated, nothing has been
    adopted to enforce.

    The owner' insurance carrier may have a
    different view on that though.......Insurance
    companies are all about reducing losses
    & mitigating [ potential ] hazards.......Also,
    television & social media lizards might want
    a juicy story on this [ Hint, Hint, Hint, ...Wink,
    Wink, Wink ].......If someone can actually
    [ possibly ] effect the Owner's pocketbook,
    he might just change the situation.


    $ = $

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    Quote Originally Posted by north star View Post
    $ = $

    jcameron,

    Even if someone were to find an applicable
    NEC Article that applied to your application,
    ...as you have stated, nothing has been
    adopted to enforce.

    The owner' insurance carrier may have a
    different view on that though.......Insurance
    companies are all about reducing losses
    & mitigating [ potential ] hazards.......Also,
    television & social media lizards might want
    a juicy story on this [ Hint, Hint, Hint, ...Wink,
    Wink, Wink ].......If someone can actually
    [ possibly ] effect the Owner's pocketbook,
    he might just change the situation.


    $ = $

    Dang...did I mention how awesome you are? I really, really appreciate your help! Like I said in an earlier post, this is my first foray into the land of code enforcement and you have definitely helped with that. I'm going to pass on your...musing..on the subject. I'm sure it's going to make others around here smile as much as it did me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcameron View Post
    I thank you for your help and think your answers have been great, so far. The part we were looking to enforce would have been any electrical code that applied to the situation...since we are in the area and can handle that. No one can seem to find one that applies to them hanging their water line off of the overhead power line. I don't think I'm getting across how remote this place is in regards to any kind of safety inspections. Far enough from civilization that they don't have a fire marshal. If this area has ever seen any kind of inspector it only would have been our pole inspector. Thanks again for your help!
    Does the section I quoted earlier not apply?

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