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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionDave View Post
    I think nutrition plays a big part. What about kids in urban districts? How do we make sure their education is well grounded?
    Nutrition is improving, people are waking up to everything. A wealth of knowledge is at everyone finger tips. But we still use an incorrect term when we know better despite so many other industries changing theirs are discoveries take place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrooke View Post
    How can it be confusing? Chassis is where you are connecting too. 'Sir, what is chassis on a motor vehicle' A: 'that would be your ground' or ' the metal frame of the car which acts as an electrical return to the negative terminal of the battery'
    But it doesn't have to be connected to the negative terminal of the battery, just like a "grounded conductor" isn't always a neutral conductor. You can bond/ground any conductor of the source, but you can't bond more then one conductor or sometimes more then one place along that conductor or you possibly have current flowing where you hadn't intended it to flow during normal conditions.

    Quote Originally Posted by peter d View Post
    "Ground" and "earth" are false terms and should be eliminated. Bonding conductor and circuit protective conductor are good alternatives that should become mainstream.
    I agree those names are likely better, don't agree it will remove all confusion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrooke View Post
    Come reality, not really. You don't look like an expert or knowledgeable when you are saying a 150 year old respected organization is wrong or dated. We can cure so much disease, predict hurricanes, entangle particles... everything looks so right and so perfect- its the best time to be alive in history- and here is one person saying the very codes that aid human civilization are wrong.
    Yes, we can do all those great things, even with the literature that's been in place all these years.

    No need to change it for the one person that thinks if it's not human civilization will cease to exist.

    With that being said, if the wording did change, it wouldn't make much difference to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by peter d View Post
    "Ground" and "earth" are false terms and should be eliminated. Bonding conductor and circuit protective conductor are good alternatives that should become mainstream.
    You bring up an interesting point.

    Everyone else gets to use the term ground without fear- well grounded idea, groundless accusations, stand your ground, standing on solid ground, above ground, underground network, grounded in truth, driven into the ground...

    But, somehow, electricians do not stand a chance of understanding how to make an electrical system safe as long as the term ground is used in the NEC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jap View Post

    With that being said, if the wording did change, it wouldn't make much difference to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrooke View Post
    Simple, get rid of the bureaucracy and sugar coating. Use the right terms. Education would rank #1 in the world if it could do that.
    If people in the US would be less concerned with how well their kids compete with others in the US and more concerned about how ALL the kids in the US compete with those in the rest of the world, education in the US would be much better. Higher Ed should be cheaper and teachers should be better paid, and paying for it should be a higher priority than a lot of what is now publicly funded.

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    I am supportive of changinger EGC to EBC, however there is another real confusing thing in 250 that needs to be resolved: I wold split it up into two articles, grounding and bonding. Grounding would cover system grounding, and equipment grounding (earthing/dirt). Bonding would be bonding. I think that lumping system grounding in with fault clearing makes absolutely no sense, they are totally different things. As it is now would be like putting article 650, pipe organs and article 680, pools, together in the same article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrofelon View Post
    I am supportive of changinger EGC to EBC, however there is another real confusing thing in 250 that needs to be resolved: I wold split it up into two articles, grounding and bonding. Grounding would cover system grounding, and equipment grounding (earthing/dirt). Bonding would be bonding. I think that lumping system grounding in with fault clearing makes absolutely no sense, they are totally different things. As it is now would be like putting article 650, pipe organs and article 680, pools, together in the same article.
    You know, I fully agree now that I think about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn View Post
    If people in the US would be less concerned with how well their kids compete with others in the US and more concerned about how ALL the kids in the US compete with those in the rest of the world, education in the US would be much better. Higher Ed should be cheaper and teachers should be better paid, and paying for it should be a higher priority than a lot of what is now publicly funded.
    I agree- we should compare ourselves to the rest of the world and not to older version of the NEC. Canada moved to bonding conductor a while back- and as already mentioned earlier in the thread the UK calls it a "circuit protective conductor".

    Now- the interesting part. Most countries around the world actually refer to EGCs as "earthing conductors", but in those case there is a justifiable reason. In most of these countries the earth is actually used to clear faults (in conjunction with an RCD {GFC}) and there is no main bonding jumper at the service. The neutral is indeed 100% isolated from the building's grounding system. Google "TT earthing system"
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrofelon View Post
    I am supportive of changinger EGC to EBC, however there is another real confusing thing in 250 that needs to be resolved: I wold split it up into two articles, grounding and bonding. Grounding would cover system grounding, and equipment grounding (earthing/dirt). Bonding would be bonding. I think that lumping system grounding in with fault clearing makes absolutely no sense, they are totally different things. As it is now would be like putting article 650, pipe organs and article 680, pools, together in the same article.
    But what you are asking for is already split into subsections of 250, the key ones you mentioned are:


    II System grounding
    III Grounding electrode system

    V Bonding
    VI Equipment grounding

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