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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel malack View Post
    I've seen it done in the field by running just 3 wire to each switch to the outlet. Never did it this way but, they did a lot of wire Color swaping.

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    What do you mean the neutral is tied together in every box. the black and red are travelers-- there is no color swapping...Black on the feed side goes to the point and the black on the return side goes to the point of their respective 3 way switches. Everything in between is a 4 way
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    Look at this diagram but imagine the neutrals are going thru the box as all conductors of a circuit must be in the same cable or raceway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    What do you mean the neutral is tied together in every box. the black and red are travelers-- there is no color swapping...Black on the feed side goes to the point and the black on the return side goes to the point of their respective 3 way switches. Everything in between is a 4 way
    I never looked into how they did it! Just saw what was done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel malack View Post
    I never looked into how they did it! Just saw what was done.

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    What I am saying is they ran 3 wire from switch to light to 3 way switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbeell@live.com View Post
    I'm about to start a wiring project, any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

    Four light fixtures between two 3-way switches.
    The book suggest this wiring. see attachment.

    I suggest these changes numbered 1 through 3.
    see 'my version' drawn attachment.

    1. I will be adding a dimmer switch.
    2. The hot supply wire to the first switch uses one wire only. not cable joined
    3. The traveler wires uses 2 wire cable, no splices or wire nuts, travels directly to second switch.
    4. The hot supply from to the second switch to the fixture uses one wire only. not cable joined.
    My advice is to not do it the way you suggest. There are multiple ways to wire 3 ways, and all but one are pretty crap when you can wire the whole thing from scratch - the other ways are for dealing with existing wiring imho.

    Put the lights at the end of the 3 ways. Run 14/3 between 3 ways, 2 wire to the lights. In addition to what others have mentioned, your way is going to have travelers in a light box. If something goes awry, you're going to be pulling down a mounted fixture instead of popping a switch out of a box.

    Quote Originally Posted by bbeell@live.com View Post
    what Im trying to do is avoid wire nuts and splices of the traveler wires by
    going direct from one switch to the other, the wiring in my drawing
    accomplishes this. please reply
    There are no splices or wire nuts on the travelers when 3 ways are wired 'conventionally'. Red and black are the travelers, and they go right on the screw terminals of the switches. The neutral and grounds will be spliced but they are in every switch box anyway.

    Even if you had to splice the travelers, who cares? Wire nuts are cheap and it's not like you're splicing 500MCM or Cat6a.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    Look at this diagram but imagine the neutrals are going thru the box as all conductors of a circuit must be in the same cable or raceway.

    This is how I would do a new wiring job as well (what I called "conventionally" in my above post). 14/2 in, 14/3 from 1st 3 way to last 3 way (and 14/3 in between catching any 4 ways), 14/2 out to lights.

    Aside from no travelers in light boxes, there is no reidentification of wire either. Dennis' graphic is a hell of a lot easier to understand and implement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFletcher View Post
    This is how I would do a new wiring job as well. 14/2 in, 14/3 from 1st 3 way to last 3 way (and 14/3 in between catching any 4 ways), 14/2 out to lights.
    Perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    I have no idea what you have there but it would not be my way of doing it. Feed one end 3 way switch and take a return cable to the light from the other end. In between run three wire cables to each switch. Pass the neutrals thru.
    Exactly, Feed it on one end, switch it from the other. Pull a three wire between them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by qcroanoke View Post
    Exactly, Feed it on one end, switch it from the other. Pull a three wire between them....
    You can feed it and switch leg it frome anywhere even at the 4 way switch.

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    Daniel malack:

    Can you describe in more detail what you just said in the previous post?

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