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    Doesn't it say 150v or less?
    If you are using 240v, it's not required to have GFCI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manic67 View Post
    Doesn't it say 150v or less?
    If you are using 240v, it's not required to have GFCI.
    I says 150 volts to ground or less . A 240 volt circuit would still be 120 volts to ground from either leg.

    210.8(B) Other Than Dwelling Units. All single-phase receptaclesrated 150 volts to ground or less, 50 amperes or less and three-
    phase receptacles rated 150 volts to ground or less,
    100 amperes or less installed in the following locations shall
    have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
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    So if one put a laundry room in said basement, do you need GFCI protection on 30 amp electric dryer receptacles?

    In a dwelling I think it is clear you don't need GFCI protection, but in other then dwelling applications it depends on what you call unfinished or not intended as habitable rooms.

    Curious as to why the change, why just for other then dwellings. There are many on grade level applications that really aren't all that different then an unfinished basement but as worded they wouldn't require GFCI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortcircuit2 View Post
    Would a single-phase 240-volt, 30-amp receptacle outlet in an unfinished basement of a 24 unit multifamily dwelling building require GFCI protection under 210.8(B) of the 2017 Code?
    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    So if one put a laundry room in said basement, do you need GFCI protection on 30 amp electric dryer receptacles?

    In a dwelling I think it is clear you don't need GFCI protection, but in other then dwelling applications it depends on what you call unfinished or not intended as habitable rooms.
    I find it hard to think of an electric clothes dryer in an unfinished basement of a 24 unit multifamily dwelling as being anything connected as part of any one of those dwelling units. Rather, the electric dryer is in the common area outside of the dwellings, i.e., in the "nondwelling" space of the building.
    Another Al in Minnesota

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    Quote Originally Posted by al hildenbrand View Post
    I find it hard to think of an electric clothes dryer in an unfinished basement of a 24 unit multifamily dwelling as being anything connected as part of any one of those dwelling units. Rather, the electric dryer is in the common area outside of the dwellings, i.e., in the "nondwelling" space of the building.
    I agree it is not connected as a part of any one of the dwelling units.

    Now how do we determine what is "unfinished basement" which may or may not dictate the need for GFCI protection with the new change?

    Yet is kind of stupid that for the same situation in an unfinished basement of an actual dwelling would not require GFCI

    I'd like to know what the justification was for some of the changes to 210.8.

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    Now how do we determine what is "unfinished basement" which may or may not dictate the need for GFCI protection with the new change?
    They added areas that are not "habitable" to clear that up...

    Yet is kind of stupid that for the same situation in an unfinished basement of an actual dwelling would not require GFCI
    I agree

    I'd like to know what the justification was for some of the changes to 210.8.
    People getting electrocuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortcircuit2 View Post
    They added areas that are not "habitable" to clear that up...

    I agree



    People getting electrocuted.
    Don't have my 2017 nearby at the moment, but I recall it saying unfinished basements or similar uninhabitable spaces or something like that.

    Doesn't uninhabitable mean not suitable for living in - which if not talking about a dwelling in the first place is rather redundant isn't it?

    People getting electrocuted - well that is the purpose of GFCI, but what was the justification for adding the outlets they did add to the new code? Was there statistical data that said such outlets were involved in electrocutions, or did the same manufacturers that pushed the AFCI's into code under questionable circumstances and that also would manufacture the majority of the GFCI's that would be used here again push to have these changes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    ...did the same manufacturers that pushed the AFCI's into code under questionable circumstances and that also would manufacture the majority of the GFCI's that would be used here...
    SHHHHH!

    You weren't supposed to notice.

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