Not going to start a p****** match and it's nothing aimed at you personally. Buy yeah, I do have a deep seated disdain for the IT industry going way back. I am a member of the telecom industry and as you know much of it has been going VoIP lately. Just one example- it's a sad state of affairs when our guys have to tell the in-house IT "network engineer" guy how to configure their system or firewall to make the phones work. Most of the time the problem is attitude or just plain bullheadedness. It's always been my observation that IT people are way overrated and given way too much self importance for what they actually know and the education they have.