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    Anyone can padlock off an e-stop.
    Who then does the tag of part of the LOTO?
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    "Although not yet codified here in North America, that is the standard in the rest of the world and because of that, it is already ALLOWABLE by OSHA."

    My apologies for digging deeper... so machine safety systems are recognized outside the USA but since the USA has not adopted this standard we rely on LOTO for operator safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraymond View Post
    "Although not yet codified here in North America, that is the standard in the rest of the world and because of that, it is already ALLOWABLE by OSHA."

    My apologies for digging deeper... so machine safety systems are recognized outside the USA but since the USA has not adopted this standard we rely on LOTO for operator safety.
    We recognize machine safety relay systems, but elsewhere they are required. We don't yet require them. OSHA requires a safe workplace but is just less stringent about HOW you attain it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fraymond View Post
    I'm struggling with the example of the pill conveyor. If LO/TO is for the inadvertent startup of equipment i.e. controls malfunction why would it be safe to use an e-stop or sorts? I also struggle with the comment NFPA 70E is for protecting electrical workers.
    Ditto for me on the above comment.
    Isn't it about removing all types of energy (electrical, pneumatic, hydraulic, & mechanical)?

    I'm not disagreeing with the poster that said this is somehow an accepted practice but I wouldn't want my daughter putting her arm and hand into this type of setup. Sounds like just a convenient CYA for the pill manufacturer to be able to say the worker did not follow the procedure properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraymond View Post
    "Although not yet codified here in North America, that is the standard in the rest of the world and because of that, it is already ALLOWABLE by OSHA."

    My apologies for digging deeper... so machine safety systems are recognized outside the USA but since the USA has not adopted this standard we rely on LOTO for operator safety.
    It's what you actually lock off that was my point.
    Most of what I did was industrial. You'd lock off the energy supply, probably get a tool box talk, certainly have to have a permit to work and an agreed method statement before you were allowed to do anything. Not to mention safety footwear, hard hat, safety glasses and at least a high vis waistcoat. As a minimum. Some places required flame retardant clothing. Overalls/boiler suit.
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