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    Signs Of Electrocution

    Hello,

    Recently an electrician was found deceased next to a live, open electrical panel. The coroners could not find any signs of electrocution so the death was ruled 'natural causes'. If a person dies from a 6 thousandth of an ampere electrical shock that stops his heart will this be noticeable to a coroner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenvalor View Post
    Hello,

    Recently an electrician was found deceased next to a live, open electrical panel. The coroners could not find any signs of electrocution so the death was ruled 'natural causes'. If a person dies from a 6 thousandth of an ampere electrical shock that stops his heart will this be noticeable to a coroner?

    Thanks.
    yeah, but it can be subtle.

    i'd do some reading here:

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    One may want to look into other possibilities such as heart conditions, stroke, or other conditions that can bring on a seizure of some sort.

    Someone who was otherwise healthy, one's first assumption is electrocution when you come to such a scene.

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    Thanks for the excellent insight. If the cause was determined to be natural causes hopefully the next of kin has life insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenvalor View Post
    Thanks for the excellent insight. If the cause was determined to be natural causes hopefully the next of kin has life insurance.
    I would have assumed most life insurance would cover work-related accidents?

    But I would not be surprised if there are myriad ways a coroner can use judgment when there's ambiguity for whichever works out better for someone's paperwork.

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    ^^^

    Yup....

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    On the more brutal end of electrocution entry and exit wounds exist. These of course, take the path of least resistance , often vasculature , as well as amputations due to it.

    Not a good way to go.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenvalor View Post
    Hello,

    Recently an electrician was found deceased next to a live, open electrical panel. The coroners could not find any signs of electrocution so the death was ruled 'natural causes'. If a person dies from a 6 thousandth of an ampere electrical shock that stops his heart will this be noticeable to a coroner?

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    A simple 6mA shock CAN stop someone's heart, but it's highly highly unlikely. GF protection outside of the US is 30mA, even for personnel protection. We just suffer from an over abundance of caution because we are such a litigious country. Even at 30mA, to actually kill someone that was healthy, the shock would likely need to be sustained for long enough to cause visible damage to the point of contact.

    That said, if he was NOT otherwise healthy, i.e. he had a heart condition already, then a slight shock, incapable of causing visible damage, may have caused a chain link reaction that exacerbated his existing heart condition. Think in terms of a guy who drops dead during a bank robbery not because he was shot, but because he was WORRIED about being shot, and heard a door slam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jraef View Post
    A simple 6mA shock CAN stop someone's heart, but it's highly highly unlikely. GF protection outside of the US is 30mA, even for personnel protection. We just suffer from an over abundance of caution because we are such a litigious country. Even at 30mA, to actually kill someone that was healthy, the shock would likely need to be sustained for long enough to cause visible damage to the point of contact....
    I would support expanded ground fault protection if they would raise the threshold to 30mA. We'd all be a lot safer and nuisance tripping wouldn't be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionDave View Post
    I would support expanded ground fault protection if they would raise the threshold to 30mA. We'd all be a lot safer and nuisance tripping wouldn't be a problem.
    +1

    Less nuisance tripping means less people that don't understand them would be less likely to bypass or disable them also. A little moisture in a cord that trips a 6 mA device maybe "burns off" when protected by a 30 mA device.

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