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    Meeting Rooms - bigger than 1000SF

    A meeting room 1001 SF does not have any requirements for receptacle placement?
    Am I reading correctly?
    What was the thinking there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olc View Post
    A meeting room 1001 SF does not have any requirements for receptacle placement?
    Am I reading correctly?
    What was the thinking there?

    That receptacle placement in commercial facilities is completely left up to the desires and needs of the tenant. Or probably more specifically, the receptacle placement in residential should be dictates to prevent unscrupulous contractors from cutting corners and to prevent extension cords run willy nilly in a residence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strathead View Post
    That receptacle placement in commercial facilities is completely left up to the desires and needs of the tenant. Or probably more specifically, the receptacle placement in residential should be dictates to prevent unscrupulous contractors from cutting corners and to prevent extension cords run willy nilly in a residence.
    I believe that there are required receptacles now in the 2017 NEC for these types of rooms. Look at 210.71.
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    210.71
    "meeting room of not more than 1000SF"

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    Quote Originally Posted by olc View Post
    210.71
    "meeting room of not more than 1000SF"
    I think the idea was that having a lot of outlets in a meeting space increases the likelihood that people will either be distracted by plugged in devices, or leave something plugged in that causes a problem. So in a small room <1000 sq ft, they can decide to not allow it. But larger than that a custodian would not be able to safely use an extension cord for vacuums, floor machines etc., so they will need an outlet in the room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jraef View Post
    I think the idea was that having a lot of outlets in a meeting space increases the likelihood that people will either be distracted by plugged in devices, or leave something plugged in that causes a problem. So in a small room <1000 sq ft, they can decide to not allow it. But larger than that a custodian would not be able to safely use an extension cord for vacuums, floor machines etc., so they will need an outlet in the room.
    The code requires the receptacle outlets in the small meeting rooms because the occupants will likely need power for their electronic devices.

    For larger rooms, there is no code requirement for any receptacles, it is a design issue.

    One of the thoughts for not requiring the receptacle outlets in the larger rooms is that many will be their to view and not participate in the meeting and will not new to be using their electronic devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olc View Post
    A meeting room 1001 SF does not have any requirements for receptacle placement?
    Am I reading correctly?
    What was the thinking there?
    Under the new section you are correct. However, remember that new rule is a method to determine the "amount" of receptacles and not the actual placement of those receptacles, except in meeting room that is at least 3.7 m (12 ft) wide and that has a floor area of at least 20 m2 (215 ft2) shall have at least one receptacle outlet located in the floor at a distance not less than 1.8 m (6 ft) from any fxed wall for each 20 m2 (215 ft2) or major portion of foor space.

    Otherwise, the placements of such receptacles are at the will of the designers or building owners.

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    I’d say over 1000SF tends to be more of an auditorium. The seating arrangement is less setup for individual users to plug-in. In those types of spaces requirements for floor boxes would likely not have them under tables and may be more of a tripping hazard.

    Informational Note No. 1:  For the purposes of this section, meeting rooms are typically designed or intended for the gathering of seated occupants for such purposes as conferences, deliberations, or similar purposes, where portable electronic equipment such as computers, projectors, or similar equipment is likely to be used.

    Informational Note No. 2:  Examples of rooms that are not meeting rooms include auditoriums, schoolrooms, and coffee shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterTheNEC View Post
    Under the new section you are correct. However, remember that new rule is a method to determine the "amount" of receptacles and not the actual placement of those receptacles, except in meeting room that is at least 3.7 m (12 ft) wide and that has a floor area of at least 20 m2 (215 ft2) shall have at least one receptacle outlet located in the floor at a distance not less than 1.8 m (6 ft) from any fxed wall for each 20 m2 (215 ft2) or major portion of foor space.

    Otherwise, the placements of such receptacles are at the will of the designers or building owners.
    Partially indicated here: even though larger rooms don’t need floor boxes...they must now have recepts at 12 ft intervals around then perimeter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publicgood View Post
    Partially indicated here: even though larger rooms don’t need floor boxes...they must now have recepts at 12 ft intervals around then perimeter.
    Prove It.....not how 210.71 is written in 2017 NEC.

    It was clarified by CMP 2 that the intent of the reference to 210.52(A)(1) -(A)(4) is simply the means to determine the total number as defines in 210.71 (B). No intent was to imply a spacing requirement which is why the charging statement says they can be where ever the designer or owner chooses.
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